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#277 Sep 05 2008 at 5:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Let's clear something up first: "Jihad" does not mean "holy war". The word "Jihad", which has a dispute etymology, roughly translates to "struggle".
Try telling that to a young muslim who is being taught by his Imam that 70 virgins await him when he kills the infidels.

You might also point out to him that Infidel doesn't mean non muslim either but i doubt you will get very far.

Both words now have new meanings, far different to their historic ones, hardly strange when you consider most of the English language is constantly evolving.

Just ask Stubs what Un-natural means.

In the year 2000 Jihad means holy war.
Dictionary.com wrote:
1. a holy war undertaken as a sacred duty by Muslims.
2. any vigorous, emotional crusade for an idea or principle.

Origin: 1865–70; < Ar jihād struggle, strife


Infidel means someone who doesn't believe in YOUR religion.
Dictionary.com wrote:
A person who does not accept a particular faith

Origin: 1425–75; late ME < LL infidélis unbelieving, L: unfaithful, treacherous


You can argue all you like about what the root of the word is but the reality is that when a dictionary defines a word you can be pretty fUcking sure thats how people are using it!


#278 Sep 05 2008 at 5:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Both words now have new meanings, far different to their historic ones, hardly strange when you consider most of the English language is constantly evolving.


He did kinda say that already. Congratulations on missing the point.

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You can argue all you like about what the root of the word is but the reality is that when a dictionary defines a word you can be pretty @#%^ing sure thats how people are using it!


ALso, using a dictionary in an argument is the fastest way to get yourself laughed out of the room of any respectable institution of thought. Dictionaries are useful for everyday life; they should NOT be used as argumentative devices. Ever. We all have a burden to examine our language and the concepts which it contains, and how those words affect our cognition.

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#279 Sep 05 2008 at 8:19 AM Rating: Good
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"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."


God's plan is for us to have a war in Iraq? That sounds a lot like a Christian Jihad, to me.


Let me get my "Christian to Secular" translator out.

What she's saying is that she hopes that our leaders are doing the right thing and making good decisions with regard to Iraq.


Seriously. That's all that means.


While I was being facetious when I said it sounded like a Jihad to me, I don't believe your translation is what was meant, either.

What she's saying is that the Iraq war is sanctioned by god. Or, if you will, part of god's plan.

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#282 Sep 05 2008 at 8:37 AM Rating: Good
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What she's saying is that the Iraq war is sanctioned by god. Or, if you will, part of god's plan.


How do you know it's not part of God's plan?



I know it's not part of god's plan just as well as she knows it is.

So... what exactly was your point?
#283 Sep 05 2008 at 8:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Fortunately we have a new testament.


Yeah, I like the second act with the gay carpenter, too.

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#284 Sep 05 2008 at 8:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Fortunately we have a new testament.


You aren't honestly calling all Jews ******* lunatics who are hell bent on holy war are you?

Cos the "Old" testament doesn't exactly exist for them. It's the whole ******* bible (along with the talmund and everything else) which governs jewish life.
#285 Sep 05 2008 at 8:50 AM Rating: Good
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How do you know it's not part of God's plan?


How do you know that little green ants don't push objects around and that objects stop moving because the ants all have huge penises which get crushed under the object which causes it to stop moving by exerting a magical dong-force onto the objects which causes enough phallic green blockage to stop the object in question.

I mean we are trying to prove negatives here right? Who needs friction? Open a fucking logic book. Please.
#287 Sep 05 2008 at 9:09 AM Rating: Good
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Fortunately we have a new testament.


You aren't honestly calling all Jews @#%^ing lunatics who are hell bent on holy war are you?

Cos the "Old" testament doesn't exactly exist for them. It's the whole @#%^ing bible (along with the talmund and everything else) which governs jewish life.
Oh, no, we are. Just you wait.


Just. You. Wait.
#288 Sep 05 2008 at 9:55 AM Rating: Decent
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No, we're simply saying that God does have a hand in what goes on. I know for atheist baby killers like yourself this is difficult to comprehend. Don't you have a baby to abort?


First I thank you for complementing my ****. It's very nice of you.

Secondly, I abort millions of babies everyday. Well to be honest I haven't been able to recently due to medication side effects but still. It's the thought that counts Smiley: mad

When your objection is something like "well there is no evidence that God isn't involved" then you really really do need to open a @#%^ing book

Look dude. Logic is the way in which humans can think if you want your thoughts to be consistent with themselves, not may think, not optionally choose to think, CAN think. You do not always have to be in accordance with logic and in fact most people are not always in accordance with it. What is important is that if you do NOT think in accordance with logic, then your thoughts are going to be self-contradictory QED

Again, open a damn book. Please. This isn't even hard logic. It's easy stuff that you could learn with a simple argument form book.


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Oh, no, we are. Just you wait.


Just. You. Wait.

I was trying to think of something funny to respond to this but I failed because I'm stuck in SERIOUS BUSINESS DEBATE MODE. I'll try harder next time.

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#290 Sep 05 2008 at 10:05 AM Rating: Excellent
Republicans are allergic to books and learning. That's why Palin apparently flunked out of her first school.
#292 Sep 05 2008 at 10:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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#293 Sep 05 2008 at 10:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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They wonder why no one takes them seriously when they discuss issues involving morality and what's right and wrong.


They do, that's why we *allways* win.

That's why Abortion is legal in all 50 states, prayer in public schools is illegal in all 50 states. why people must be read rights before they can be questioned when arrested, why no one can own military grade weaponry, why social security continues to provide income to old folks, why kids can get loans to go to college, why women can vote, why blacks can vote, and on and on and on.

What's it like being on the side that *always* loses?

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Sucker.

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#294 Sep 05 2008 at 10:12 AM Rating: Decent
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What a surprise someone who can't articulate his view telling the other person to read a book. You can't be that stupid can you?


Now you're just trolling. Click the ******* links you numbskull. READ.

View: You are an ignorant troglodyte who does not understand extremely basic concepts about how thoughts must correlate in the human mind in order to be consistent. You can NOT prove a negative. Why would you even ask such a stupid question like: "How can you prove that God doesnt' have a hand in it?"

Here I'll refer you to a guy that can explain it fully. It's called the falsifiability criterion which is the foundation for modern @#%^ing science as we know it.

Ten seconds of research. If you read this, then I will talk to you, otherwise, game over.

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#296 Sep 05 2008 at 10:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Republicans are the workers; not pseudo-intellectuals deriding a political party because it values hard work and individuality as opposed to the group-think mentality the professors are pushing. We believe in God, which is the basis for our morality, which is why we don't support abortion.


Lots of Republican's support abortion. Almost all of them, actually.

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#297 Sep 05 2008 at 10:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Republicans are the workers; not pseudo-intellectuals deriding a political party because it values hard work and individuality as opposed to the group-think mentality the professors are pushing. We believe in God, which is the basis for our morality, which is why we don't support abortion.


Why exactly is "pseudo intellectual" supposed to be an insult? "Intellectual" alone is often insulting enough if you are of the persuasion that books and learning are evil and only pragmatic goals and hard work are the important things in life. If someone is truly living in an ivory tower as an intellectual, then why call him a pseudo version of that? It's a meaningless term; it's a statement that conveys no information at all. Why insult someone further when the original word is enough you uneducated Neanderthal?

I've never once seen the term used as anything but a pejorative, and used exclusively by someone who feels threatened intellectually by another, such as: "How DARE you make an argument against me with a different ideology? I'm the TRUE intellectual you damn heathen. Now excuse me while I ignore the entire enlightenment ideal and read hustler instead of the Critique of Pure Reason; it's much more intellectual than the latter."
#298 Sep 05 2008 at 10:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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from my own Brittanica collection


Comedy gold.
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#299 Sep 05 2008 at 10:41 AM Rating: Decent
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I've read/studied...Smith, Machiavelli, Swift, Sterne, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Marx, Tzu, and numerous others (from my own Brittanica collection). I've received a BA where I majored in history and a minor in philosophy as well as 2yrs of graduate work for a masters in education; at the end of working for free (internship) and having to put up with kids who really needed the sh*t beat out of them I just left with 2wks until graduation.


You studied these from an encyclopedia? Before I deride you any further I want to know if this is true or not. I'm, against my better judgment, giving you credit that you did not study those figures from an encyclopedia.

You got a minor in philosophy without at least learning ******* argumentum ad ignorantum and modes ******* tollens? What the **** kind of philosophy did you study?
#300 Sep 05 2008 at 10:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Comedy gold.


Why can't I be that succinct? I always try and then I just can't help myself.

Also, varrus, you're studying the wrong dudes to learn about philosophy. Try Wittgenstein (thanks milich!) Heiddeger, Kripke, Kant and Hume.
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