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#27 Sep 01 2008 at 11:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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Why do you make the assumption that they would be so stupid to have unprotected sex without birth control? Teenagers do it all the time.



Why do you make the assumption that they wouldn't? No 17 year old wants a child. Especially not when your mother's views are so strong, that she'll likely make your life unbearable. I can't fathom how they would not take the necessary precautions.


Please reread the Pregnancy Pact at Gloucester High a few months ago: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1815845,00.html

Not that it matters, but yes, some kids DO want to get pregnant. I'd say it's a deviation from the norm, and doubt it is the case here. But a lot of time people (and kids especially) just think "Oh, it couldn't happen to me!" Even the most learned people make stupid mistakes when it comes to sex, and when you're that young anyway the odds that you'll mess up and think "Just this once..." are even greater.

Sucks for the girl, though. IF she was raised in a family environment where abstinence-only was the rule, odds are she didn't use birth control, either for lack of knowledge or more realistically because she had that "it can't happen to me" attitude. And if your mom is the mayor, it's going to be a pain if you or your boyfriend hops down to the local pharmacy and buys some rubbers... especially in a small town. People will talk. News will get back to Mommy. Sparks will fly. If she was defiant enough to break the rules in the first place, then I doubt buying condoms or being on the pill was high up on the list. We'll never know unless some sleazy tabloids take a closer look, I guess.
#28 Sep 01 2008 at 11:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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Please reread the Pregnancy Pact at Gloucester High a few months ago: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1815845,00.html
You know, that story was debunked and the principle who 'reported' it eventually fired.

Edit: whoops, he resigned.

Edited, Sep 1st 2008 2:29pm by Jophiel
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#29 Sep 01 2008 at 11:34 AM Rating: Decent
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LockeColeMA wrote:
Please reread the Pregnancy Pact at Gloucester High a few months ago: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1815845,00.html
You know, that story was debunked and the principle who 'reported' it eventually fired.


I heard the principal got fired. Smiley: tongue
#30 Sep 01 2008 at 11:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
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Please reread the Pregnancy Pact at Gloucester High a few months ago: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1815845,00.html
You know, that story was debunked and the principle who 'reported' it eventually fired.

Edit: whoops, he resigned.

Edited, Sep 1st 2008 2:29pm by Jophiel


Principal :-P

And yeah, I just looked up the debunking stuff, and the pact part was made up. However some of the girls were apparently trying to get pregnant (the debuking article says the same thing, even though there wasn't a "pact" per se), which was my original point. Some high schoolers do want to get pregnant; but hopefully that wasn't the case with Bristol Palin.
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#32 Sep 01 2008 at 2:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Parents can only do so much. At 17, a legal adult in the state of Alaska,


Being legally allowed to **** isn't the same as being a "legal adult".

I understand your point though, the fact that the guy who knocked her up would be a felon sex offender in California doesn't matter, because they were in Alaska. Yay!


Her parents have about as much control over her deciding to have sex and have a child as they do over how many times she wipes after she takes a sh*t.


It grows more apparent daily how much I overestimated your intelligence in the brief period that encompasses me realizing you exist and now.

How is that the Bushs, Clintons, Reagans, Carters, Fords, Nixons, Johnsons, Kennedys, Eisenhowers, Trumans, Roesevelts, Et ******* all managed to pull of the ******* amazing trick of their daughters not being knocked up as teenagers, then?

What mystical ovary blocking technique did they use to perform such a miracle???

If you're a politican and your kid gets knocked up at 17, you ****** up. Not the kid, you.



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#33 Sep 01 2008 at 2:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Being legally allowed to @#%^ isn't the same as being a "legal adult".


Age of consent applies to more than just sex. If the state you live in recognizes you as being able to consent, then you no longer need a guardian to speak for you. "Legal" adult is exactly what that makes you.

Now you may believe that they aren't a "real" adult because at 16/17 they are somehow less able than at 18, that's another story. But "Legal" is the term used here.


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How is that the Bushs, Clintons, Reagans, Carters, Fords, Nixons, Johnsons, Kennedys, Eisenhowers, Trumans, Roesevelts, Et @#%^ing all managed to pull of the @#%^ing amazing trick of their daughters not being knocked up as teenagers, then?


Easy, their children decided not to get pregnant as teenagers.


Smasharoo wrote:
What mystical ovary blocking technique did they use to perform such a miracle???


They didn't do anything, their children did. How is that hard to understand?


Smasharoo wrote:
If you're a politican and your kid gets knocked up at 17, you @#%^ed up. Not the kid, you.


Maybe if through some incestuous relationship, the politician was the one who impregnated the child, then ya, you ****** up (big time...). Otherwise, the parent is not the reason the kid got knocked up.
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The underage thing is bogus. . . Age of Consent varies from 12 to 18 around the world, and in the 1800s, 14 was a good marrying age.

What is cogent is the Holier than thou "abstinence only" bullcrap peddled by Palin's cronies. Creationist, gun worshipping slapper.

As for "asking for privacy for her kids", that is something I respect from many politicians who keep their family's life private. Once they parade their kids on the stump, they're fair game.


If Obama's pretty ickle girls, used to great effect at the DNC, turn out to be pole smoking jail-bait lolitas, I hope it comes back on him.

I have yet to see anything, absolutely anything, about Palin that offers any reason to vote for her.
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Age of consent applies to more than just sex. If the state you live in recognizes you as being able to consent, then you no longer need a guardian to speak for you. "Legal" adult is exactly what that makes you.


Wrong.


Now you may believe that they aren't a "real" adult because at 16/17 they are somehow less able than at 18, that's another story. But "Legal" is the term used here.


Yes. Tell me, what other things can a 17 year old "legally" do in Alaska that a 12 year old can't.

Here are a few easy ones:

Drive. See R rated movies. Work at McDonalds.

Here are few easy ones they can't do:

Vote. Smoke. Drink. MARRY WITHOUT PARENTAL CONSENT. LEAVE HOME WITHOUT PARENTAL CONSENT.

See if you can come up with some others.


Maybe if through some incestuous relationship, the politician was the one who impregnated the child, then ya, you @#%^ed up (big time...). Otherwise, the parent is not the reason the kid got knocked up.


You're a fucking idiot. We're done. Enjoy interacting with the other posters, good luck to you.



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#36 Sep 01 2008 at 3:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Maybe if through some incestuous relationship, the politician was the one who impregnated the child, then ya, you @#%^ed up (big time...). Otherwise, the parent is not the reason the kid got knocked up.


If you don't adequately educate your children about basic safety measures they're going to get hurt and it will be your fault. It's just the same as kids sticking forks into the toaster. If you had told them not to do that, or told them to at least switch it off at the plug before trying to get your toast out, your kid wouldn't get electrocuted.

If Palin raised her kids to think that condoms don't work, it's her fault when one gets knocked up and has to keep the kid. She's misled them. Condoms do work. Telling your kids about this awesome thing called sex and then telling them they can't do it until they're married because the condom is a lie is just misinformation, like telling them that cigarettes don't cause cancer and Islam is a suicide cult.
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Smasharoo wrote:
How is that the Bushs, Clintons, Reagans, Carters, [...] all managed to pull of the @#%^ing amazing trick of their daughters not being knocked up as teenagers, then?
I can guess in the case of the Carters...
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#38 Sep 01 2008 at 3:45 PM Rating: Default
Well, since Palin isn't even partly to blame for her teenage daughter's promiscuity then no parent is ever to blame for anything their children do I guess? If they grow up to be Nobel Prize winners, their parents had nothing to do with it; if they grow up to be serial killers they had nothing to do with it.

Do I have that about right tirith?
#39 Sep 01 2008 at 4:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Where the fault lies is moot, the fact is the conservative Republican VP candidate has a teen-aged daughter who managed to get herself preggers. That will not go over well with the right-wing voter base, and only makes the Republican ticket weaker. Though McCain's people claim this tidbit was known before the announcement of the candidate, I have a hard time believing that is true. It's risky enough picking a relatively unknown female running mate, without having these sorts of skeletons popping out of the closet in the first week. Maybe that's just me.

I must applaud Obama's statement on it all though, basically saying that attacking the candidate's families is unacceptable, and telling the media to back off it.

Oh, and as to Bristol's hittableness... I'd tap it. She's a cutie.

Edited, Sep 1st 2008 5:57pm by Kakar
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Where the fault lies is moot, the fact is the conservative Republican VP candidate has a teen-aged daughter who managed to get herself preggers. That will not go over well with the right-wing voter base


Of course it will. They'll admire her for not just forcing the kid to abort the baby like they would have. The values they vote for are for OTHER people, not them, silly.

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Maybe my terminology is wrong, probably thinking of age of majority. But just 8 years ago my aunt ran away from home at the age of 17. The police were called, and they knew where she was. The police refused to get her. They told my mother (her older sister) that she was 17, and therefor an adult that could move out if she wanted to.

I don't see how they could treat her as an adult when she was 17, not 18.
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#42 Sep 01 2008 at 5:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Maybe my terminology is wrong, probably thinking of age of majority. But just 8 years ago my aunt ran away from home at the age of 17. The police were called, and they knew where she was. The police refused to get her. They told my mother (her older sister) that she was 17, and therefor an adult that could move out if she wanted to.

I don't see how they could treat her as an adult when she was 17, not 18.


The difference between age of majority and a legal adult is subtle. Age of majority (17 in a lot of states) is the age you are considered an adult in terms of making your own decisions (marriage, residence, etc...). However, being a legal adult (18) is what grants you the right to vote, enlist, etc...

Different terms that serve different purposes, but for the sake of this discussion, age of majority is the one that matters.
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TirithRR wrote:
Maybe my terminology is wrong, probably thinking of age of majority. But just 8 years ago my aunt ran away from home at the age of 17. The police were called, and they knew where she was. The police refused to get her. They told my mother (her older sister) that she was 17, and therefor an adult that could move out if she wanted to.

I don't see how they could treat her as an adult when she was 17, not 18.


In some states, like in Massachusetts, for certain purposes, you are considered an adult in the eyes of the law at 17, but it's not global.
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#44 Sep 01 2008 at 6:50 PM Rating: Good
What the @#%^ is a "fundie"?

My parents were big into the abstinence only, Bible-thumping stuff. I had sex anyway but I was smart enough to wear a condom. They were so worried about me getting some girl knocked up that imagine their surprise when my sister (who could do no wrong in my step-mother's eyes, she was her daughter) got knocked up instead.

I guess what I'm saying is that I don't know if I would agree it being the fault of the parents that the kid got pregnant. We may be a little behind the times here in the bible belt, but we still learned about condoms early (9th grade health class I think). I remember our teacher was trying to break one to demonstrate how hard it is to do Smiley: laugh

Edited, Sep 1st 2008 9:46pm by Wint
#45 Sep 01 2008 at 7:30 PM Rating: Default
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What the @#%^ is a "fundie"?

My parents were big into the abstinence only, Bible-thumping stuff. I had sex anyway but I was smart enough to wear a condom. They were so worried about me getting some girl knocked up that imagine their surprise when my sister (who could do no wrong in my step-mother's eyes, she was her daughter) got knocked up instead.

I guess what I'm saying is that I don't know if I would agree it being the fault of the parents that the kid got pregnant. We may be a little behind the times here in the bible belt, but we still learned about condoms early (9th grade health class I think). I remember our teacher was trying to break one to demonstrate how hard it is to do Smiley: laugh

Edited, Sep 1st 2008 9:46pm by Wint


Fundies are religious fundamentalists, people who bring you hilarious material such as this:

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...the women's-rights ideology is an evolutionary dead end, and it is increasingly apparent that societies embracing it will not survive.


As far as I know, condoms are never discussed in abstinence only education, which is what Palin wants to push. If anything, they're bad for you. Or something.

EDIT: I guess so.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/30/magazine/30Chastity-t.html?pagewanted=2 wrote:
In a follow-up study to a 1995 national survey of close to 12,000 students in grades 7 through 12, two sociologists, Peter Bearman at Columbia University and Hannah Brückner at Yale, found that while those who took virginity pledges preserved their technical virginity about 18 months longer than teenagers who didn’t pledge, they were six times more likely to engage in oral sex than virgins who hadn’t taken a pledge. They were also much less likely to use condoms during their first sexual experience or to be tested for sexually transmitted diseases.


Edited, Sep 1st 2008 11:05pm by bsphil
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#47 Sep 02 2008 at 6:41 AM Rating: Decent
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The difference between age of majority and a legal adult is subtle. Age of majority (17 in a lot of states) is the age you are considered an adult in terms of making your own decisions (marriage, residence, etc...). However, being a legal adult (18) is what grants you the right to vote, enlist, etc...


Both are 18 in Alaska. Not that subtle.

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#48 Sep 02 2008 at 7:01 AM Rating: Default
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What the @#%^ is a "fundie"?

My parents were big into the abstinence only, Bible-thumping stuff. I had sex anyway but I was smart enough to wear a condom. They were so worried about me getting some girl knocked up that imagine their surprise when my sister (who could do no wrong in my step-mother's eyes, she was her daughter) got knocked up instead.

I guess what I'm saying is that I don't know if I would agree it being the fault of the parents that the kid got pregnant. We may be a little behind the times here in the bible belt, but we still learned about condoms early (9th grade health class I think). I remember our teacher was trying to break one to demonstrate how hard it is to do Smiley: laugh

Edited, Sep 1st 2008 9:46pm by Wint


So, will you also say that if someone grows up to win the Nobel Prize that it wasn't anything the parents did?
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