This deserves its own thread.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=5699565
Score another one for abstinence-only sex ed.
See, I knew the "zomg she covered up for her daughter's pregnancy" crap wasn't real, because Palin was either pregnanct or wearing a fake stomach in some photos, and a 44 year old is more likely to give birth to a child with Down's Syndrome than a teenager.
On the other hand, yeah. They knew the sh*t was hitting the fan so they went ahead and just did a press release.
I'm not blaming the McCain vetting team for this, because I bet that the poor kid didn't have the guts to tell mom until this weekend.
Edited, Sep 1st 2008 1:16pm by catwho
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Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Imagine if she gets an abortion?
She won't. 5 months is too far along for anything but one of those banned "partial birth" abortions that the fundies love to hate.
DaimenKain wrote:
Imagine if she gets an abortion?
The same press release also announces that Bristol will carry the child to term, and in addition will marry the father to legitimize the birth. It's all very old school.
I'm wondering how much of it was her decision.
zepoodle wrote:
DaimenKain wrote:
Imagine if she gets an abortion?
The same press release also announces that Bristol will carry the child to term, and in addition will marry the father to legitimize the birth. It's all very old school.
I'm wondering how much of it was her decision.
Oh well it's still a black eye for Palin/McCain at least. I'm sure the Hannity camp will spin this in their favor too; something about "showing support for her daughter during this time". But if Obama had a teenage daughter and this happened, they'd be creaming in their pants to talk about how bad of a parent he is, and is that who liberals really want to run the country?
On a more important point, it wasn't me.
If she's as fugly as her mMm. . . Srsly, who the hell finds the ********** goggle monster doable?
I'd rather do Mike than Sarah if a Palin were the only choice
If she's as fugly as her mMm. . . Srsly, who the hell finds the ********** goggle monster doable?
I'd rather do Mike than Sarah if a Palin were the only choice
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
Nobby wrote:
I'd rather do Mike than Sarah if a Palin were the only choice
Pfft, do Bristol. At least you can't knock her up.
What's bred in the bone will not out of the flesh.
Nobby wrote:
On a more important point, it wasn't me.
If she's as fugly as her mMm. . . Srsly, who the hell finds the ********** goggle monster doable?
I'd rather do Mike than Sarah if a Palin were the only choice
If she's as fugly as her mMm. . . Srsly, who the hell finds the ********** goggle monster doable?
I'd rather do Mike than Sarah if a Palin were the only choice
I'm assuming that Bristol is the older daughter on the right
I'm definitely in. Her face isn't square like her mothers, but that may just be because of her size difference. I don't think she's fat of course, just ya know, curvier.
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
DaimenKain wrote:
Oh well it's still a black eye for Palin/McCain at least. I'm sure the Hannity camp will spin this in their favor too; something about "showing support for her daughter during this time". But if Obama had a teenage daughter and this happened, they'd be creaming in their pants to talk about how bad of a parent he is, and is that who liberals really want to run the country?
This actually doesn't work out too poorly for Palin. It increases her standing amongst the pro-life voters, who are the only reason I can see for her even being nominated as VP, and the only people who would get annoyed by a teenager being forced to carry an illegitimate child to term aren't the kind of people who would vote Republican anyway.
The only person who loses here is Bristol Palin.
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I'm definitely in. Her face isn't square like her mothers, but that may just be because of her size difference. I don't think she's fat of course, just ya know, curvier.
I'd hit that. (with protection)
Edited, Sep 1st 2008 1:54pm by zepoodle
zepoodle wrote:
DaimenKain wrote:
Oh well it's still a black eye for Palin/McCain at least. I'm sure the Hannity camp will spin this in their favor too; something about "showing support for her daughter during this time". But if Obama had a teenage daughter and this happened, they'd be creaming in their pants to talk about how bad of a parent he is, and is that who liberals really want to run the country?
This actually doesn't work out too poorly for Palin. It increases her standing amongst the pro-life voters, who are the only reason I can see for her even being nominated as VP, and the only people who would get annoyed by a teenager being forced to carry an illegitimate child to term aren't the kind of people who would vote Republican anyway.
The only person who loses here is Bristol Palin.
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I'm definitely in. Her face isn't square like her mothers, but that may just be because of her size difference. I don't think she's fat of course, just ya know, curvier.
I'd hit that. (with protection)
Edited, Sep 1st 2008 1:54pm by zepoodle
Yeah but the thing is, she's such a big abstinence-only sex ed advocate and it's apparent it didn't work out too well for her daughter.
DaimenKain wrote:
Yeah but the thing is, she's such a big abstinence-only sex ed advocate and it's apparent it didn't work out too well for her daughter.
Teach children anything you want, it only works if they listen. Plenty of people who know about condom use and safe sex still don't practice it.
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
TirithRR wrote:
DaimenKain wrote:
Yeah but the thing is, she's such a big abstinence-only sex ed advocate and it's apparent it didn't work out too well for her daughter.
Teach children anything you want, it only works if they listen. Plenty of people who know about condom use and safe sex still don't practice it.
I dunno...good parents have children who listen to them about important issues like this though.
DaimenKain wrote:
I dunno...good parents have children who listen to them about important issues like this though.
Parents can only do so much. At 17, a legal adult in the state of Alaska, the decision making is left up to her. Her parents have about as much control over her deciding to have sex and have a child as they do over how many times she wipes after she takes a ****.
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
zepoodle wrote:
I'm wondering how much of it was her decision.
That's what I was thinking as soon as I read
The Article wrote:
"Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family. We ask the media, respect our daughter and Levi's privacy as has always been the tradition of children of candidates," the statement concluded.
DamienKain wrote:
I dunno...good parents have children who listen to them about important issues like this though.
That's a tough call to make. I wouldn't say that my ex girlfriend's parents were bad, by any stretch. Neither would she. My parents weren't. We took precautions, but birth control isn't 100% effective. It's possible that she was simply using birth control, and it didn't react with her body correctly, or just plain didn't work, and she got pregnant. In that case, she was doing everything right, it just didn't work out for her. And it would look even worse if she showed up at an abortion clinic, than it does with them releasing a statement about her being pregnant and carrying the child to term.
DaimenKain wrote:
TirithRR wrote:
DaimenKain wrote:
Yeah but the thing is, she's such a big abstinence-only sex ed advocate and it's apparent it didn't work out too well for her daughter.
Teach children anything you want, it only works if they listen. Plenty of people who know about condom use and safe sex still don't practice it.
I dunno...good parents have children who listen to them about important issues like this though.
LMAO, my mother is a Health Educator. I knew what could happen, I understood full and well, probably better than most teens. It still comes down to the teen. I was a really well behaved kid, except for the whole pregnancy thing :)
catwho, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
Palin's daughter pregnant: Confirmed
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=5699565
Score another one for abstinence-only sex ed.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=5699565
Score another one for abstinence-only sex ed.
The irony cuts deep.
I lol'd.
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
It's doubtful Palin's kid was on The Pill. Fundies consider oral contraceptives to be a form of abortion, since it prevents implantation and "life begins at conception" yadda yadda.
It's possible their condom broke, or they didn't know how to use it properly. (You gotta pull out before it gets flaccid again, guys.)
Pro-life: Forcing your 17 year old pregnant daughter to carry the baby to term and get married to the father whether she wants to or not.
It's possible their condom broke, or they didn't know how to use it properly. (You gotta pull out before it gets flaccid again, guys.)
Pro-life: Forcing your 17 year old pregnant daughter to carry the baby to term and get married to the father whether she wants to or not.
Mistress Cami wrote:
DaimenKain wrote:
TirithRR wrote:
DaimenKain wrote:
Yeah but the thing is, she's such a big abstinence-only sex ed advocate and it's apparent it didn't work out too well for her daughter.
Teach children anything you want, it only works if they listen. Plenty of people who know about condom use and safe sex still don't practice it.
I dunno...good parents have children who listen to them about important issues like this though.
LMAO, my mother is a Health Educator. I knew what could happen, I understood full and well, probably better than most teens. It still comes down to the teen. I was a really well behaved kid, except for the whole pregnancy thing :)
So, I guess if a kid is a psychopathic killer, we shouldn't place any of that blame on the parent either?
catwho, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
It's doubtful Palin's kid was on The Pill. Fundies consider oral contraceptives to be a form of abortion, since it prevents implantation and "life begins at conception" yadda yadda.
It's possible their condom broke, or they didn't know how to use it properly. (You gotta pull out before it gets flaccid again, guys.)
Pro-life: Forcing your 17 year old pregnant daughter to carry the baby to term and get married to the father whether she wants to or not.
It's possible their condom broke, or they didn't know how to use it properly. (You gotta pull out before it gets flaccid again, guys.)
Pro-life: Forcing your 17 year old pregnant daughter to carry the baby to term and get married to the father whether she wants to or not.
My point still stands. I doubt they were readily trying to get pregnant... I doubt they would be so stupid as to have unprotected sex without birth control. There are things that go beyond the participants' control in a situation like this, though.
DaimenKain wrote:
So, I guess if a kid is a psychopathic killer, we shouldn't place any of that blame on the parent either?
Only if the parent gave the child the weapons and played subliminal messages saying "KILL EVERYONE!" while they slept.
Seriously, are you grasping for straws?
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
DaimenKain wrote:
Mistress Cami wrote:
DaimenKain wrote:
TirithRR wrote:
DaimenKain wrote:
Yeah but the thing is, she's such a big abstinence-only sex ed advocate and it's apparent it didn't work out too well for her daughter.
Teach children anything you want, it only works if they listen. Plenty of people who know about condom use and safe sex still don't practice it.
I dunno...good parents have children who listen to them about important issues like this though.
LMAO, my mother is a Health Educator. I knew what could happen, I understood full and well, probably better than most teens. It still comes down to the teen. I was a really well behaved kid, except for the whole pregnancy thing :)
So, I guess if a kid is a psychopathic killer, we shouldn't place any of that blame on the parent either?
I dunno, do they have 2 or 3 other perfectly normal, functional children?
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Posted: Sep 01 2008 at 10:41 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Why do you make the assumption that they would be so stupid to have unprotected sex without birth control? Teenagers do it all the time.
DaimenKain wrote:
Why do you make the assumption that they would be so stupid to have unprotected sex without birth control? Teenagers do it all the time.
Why do you make the assumption that they wouldn't? No 17 year old wants a child. Especially not when your mother's views are so strong, that she'll likely make your life unbearable. I can't fathom how they would not take the necessary precautions.
If you've been told all your life that you shouldn't have sex before your married, that going on birth control will make it so you can never have children, that condoms don't prevent STDs, that you can't get pregnant on the first time from your friends . . . then there's nothing stupid about not using a contraceptive, because nobody told you the truth about what happens when you don't.
Even in the redneck bits of Georgia, my high school gym teacher at Hephzibah High was like, "I'm not supposed to say this but . . . guys, for God's sake, use a condom." That was it. That was the extent of our school's sex ed curriculum.
(I'm kinda glad I left that school after one year. My IQ was higher than the rest of my class combined, I think.)
Even in the redneck bits of Georgia, my high school gym teacher at Hephzibah High was like, "I'm not supposed to say this but . . . guys, for God's sake, use a condom." That was it. That was the extent of our school's sex ed curriculum.
(I'm kinda glad I left that school after one year. My IQ was higher than the rest of my class combined, I think.)
Paradox wrote:
DaimenKain wrote:
Why do you make the assumption that they would be so stupid to have unprotected sex without birth control? Teenagers do it all the time.
Why do you make the assumption that they wouldn't? No 17 year old wants a child. Especially not when your mother's views are so strong, that she'll likely make your life unbearable. I can't fathom how they would not take the necessary precautions.
Because teenagers are much more apt to make poor decisions (especially when horny) than good ones?
You can't fathom how they would not take the necessary precautions? You're really serious? You can't fathom an instance where two horny teenagers would just go at it without taking all the necessary precautions?
I'm not saying I can't fathom how they would make the right precautions (like you are with the opposite view), but teenagers are notorious for being inexperienced and not always making the smart moves (like all human beings)
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