The Fifth Star comes to WARFollow

And another thing, if you kids let your frisbee land in my yard again, I'm a gon' keep it!
















Get off my property!!

I say you're a **** weasel because you hopped around semantically from group-grinding to group-play. You wanted it to sound like Vanguard was a game like EQ or FFXI, where a group sets up a camp and chain pulls mobs for experience. It's not. No one wants a game designed that way. A lot of people would like a game that doesn't reward solo play over grouping, though. Go play Oblivion if you want to jerk off, I want to f*ck.

And leveling? Seriously? The answer to experience grinding shouldn't be "Let em all solo to cap", it should be "Let's do something different". It should be "f*ck levels". But that's a tougher treadmill to design. You go ahead and applaud laziness and group-think.



It's not garbage. New releases in the genre now cater to the lowest common denominator; console gamers. There was a time when MMOs catered to a crowd that wanted to play Dungeons and Dragons with live actors, but now it's more and more a genre for kids who lack the coordination to play Counter Strike. The only way an MMO should be is based around group play. Otherwise what's the f*cking point? I love when people say, "I don't have time to group, I love how I can log on for thirty minutes and accomplish something". You're not accomplishing sh*t! It's a motherf*cking video game! No one fires up Oblivion, runs through a mage's guild quest and then sucks their own d*ck in this manner.

And I called WoW an MMO-Lite. That's f*cking accurate. The vast majority of the game could be played offline, by yourself. You and millions of others are fine with this, because you're pathetic, needy little ****-accidents who feel entitled to everything.

But I never soloed to the level cap in DnD. I never sat around a table talking to myself. Hell, I was playing MMOs when you were like ten years old Al, and I can tell you that what gets produced today lacks the freedom and the organic quality games did toward the front of the decade. But seriously, you can have the f*cking genre, take the whole f*cking pie and ram it in your other little kiddy buddies' asses, rimjob eachother while gushing about your ability to ********** to the level cap, but would you mind f*cking off when other folks express a desire to see the genre return to something that actually feels like a role-playing game instead of the current trend, "I'm a social ******, let's play fantasy Barbie".

Edited, Aug 31st 2008 4:57pm by Barkingturtle

I've always wondered why doing away with leveling in MMOs is generally considered such a complex or troubling task. Why not just have the characters increase skills independently and do away with "levels" entirely. For example, the more you shoot with a bow, the better your archery skills get. The more you explore and run around, the better your stamina / endurance is. The better you eat and rest, the higher your health goes. The more you research and learn, the higher your magic goes.

I never saw any reason why someone who picked up the game for a day and did nothing but ranged attacks for 8 hours straight should have less ranged attack skill than someone who's 70 levels higher but may not have used a ranged attack in their entire leveling span. Goals should be story oriented or player driven, not level oriented, and so long as MMO makers keep pushing the idea of "level, then do end game", that's not going to happen.

Yep. Skill-based advancement and a non-linear, sandbox world?

Count me in.

I'm still hoping for a Turn-based Tactical MMORPG. Like Dofus, but not flash-based.

Unfortunately I'm sure my love of Final Fantasy Tactics alone will not carry a company to do this. I'm sure there are others out there that love the genre, but I doubt there are many who, like me, would wish for a large MMORPG to be built based on the game-style.

Runescape is/was purely skill level based, and it lead to people pumping all into one skill like attack to keep their calculated level low so they could own in PVP against people who had other skills leveled.

Is Runescape still alive? I think I played that back in 2001/2 when it was 10 dollars for a year long membership...

Do they still have Space Midgets? When I was like 12 I had a bunch of space midgets that I got to paint and play against my sister's considerably older boyfriend. After realizing that space midgets weren't very effective, I sold them all for walking rats.

That's about all I remember about the game. That and I got to make some pretty cool terrain with styrofoam and stone-looking spray paint.

Holy ****, where have you been?

Your reasoning seems flawed. Your premise is that the experience grind for levels is not enjoyable and is the worst part of the game. I'll accept that. But your solution is to multiply that experience grind several times over. How does that make sense? If it is boring to grind exp to level up all of your skills, then how is forcing the player to grind exp for each individual skill not far worse?

Edited, Aug 31st 2008 10:52pm by Allegory

So basically just remove exp from random monsters and make exp only obtainable through missions and quests from the storyline?

Is this in reference to the fact that I haven't posted here in a few weeks(months, years, whatever) or that I'm so out of touch with the progression of Warhammer technology that space midgets have since evolved into space regular-sized-people? If it's the former, then I saw something shiny.