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#77 Aug 27 2008 at 6:23 PM Rating: Good
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The point is that people tend to watch news shows that match their own viewpoint the most. Certainly, you wouldn't expect a large number of people to watch one that did nothing but present opinions that they themselves don't agree with at all.

I watched an entire season of Big Brother with my jaw on the floor, because I couldn't believe that the makers were allowed to get away with their treatment of participants psychologically and medically. If a medical or scientific institution designed a study with the Big Brothers rules, they wouldn't be able to get it past the ethics committee in the first place. I don't remember them all now, but in the first couple of episodes I counted about 11 or 13 set-ups of the physical conditions and the rules that were, on current psychological knowledge, guaranteed to generate emotional stress in the participants, and to guarantee divisions and fighting between the group members. Given how most humans react to stress, I was fairly confident that participants would hold themselves together pretty well for the most part while they were there, but were almost guaranteed for a bout of Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome once they were out and freed from the situation.

I was a hooked viewer of Big Brother purely from a "Car Crash Effect" perspective.

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When that ratio gets sufficiently imbalanced, you'd expect to see the news coverage get progressively more lopsided over time. What the Pew study shows is that the more "mainstream" news stations are getting more lopsided, while Fox News is getting less lopsided.

That would seem to support the idea that it's those other stations that are presenting an imbalanced view of events and Fox that's presenting a more balanced view, not the other way around.

Edited, Aug 27th 2008 4:25pm by gbaji

Or it could mean that the mainstream news has plenty of room to get more lopsided, while Fox news has no room to get more lopsided towards a conservative bias, and is undergoing a drift to less lopsidedness in order to generate some plausible deniability, or because it's taken on board some of the criticisms of it, or it's just a function of change over time, as people within the structure change over time.
#78 Aug 27 2008 at 8:43 PM Rating: Good
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That would seem to support the idea that it's those other stations that are presenting an imbalanced view of events and Fox that's presenting a more balanced view, not the other way around.


No, it wouldn't support it at all. Nor would it "seem" to. However, the fact that Fox has the fewest independent viewers and MSNBC the highest would indeed support the idea that MSNBC is more balanced, and Fox is the least balanced. The network drawing the most non aligned viewers is more likely to the more balanced one, no? MSNBC has seen a *decline* in democratic viewership in the last two years, and an increase in independents. This indicates to you that they've become MORE liberal?

You're awful at analysis. I mean BAD. All this study shows is that more Republicans watch Fox news than any other network, while more independents watch MSNBC. Yet, somehow, your conclusion isn't that Fox is spewing out GOP propaganda 24/7, even though such has been explicitly stated by more than one ex administration official including the fucking former White House Press Secretary. No, though, in your mind it's that MSNBC is biased towards Democrats because....oh right. There is no because. A retarded child can't watch Fox for more than thirty seconds without laughing about how ludicrous it is to anyone but GOP true believers. CNN is the home of Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck and Nancy Grace. These are you liberally biased commentators? MSNBC has Joe Scarborough, a ******* former GOP congressman in the morning. This is your liberal bias channel, though. For MSNBC to have a morning news show equivalent to Fox and Friends, they'd have to fire Joe, and hire 5 green party organizers. In the afternoon they have Andrea Kramer. For them to approach the lunacy of Fox's midday, they'd have to replace her with Jennine Garofallo.

Now if they did all that, maybe Democrats would love it and stop watching Fox and CNN in droves. Then you know what you'd see in a study like this one? A high percentage of Democrats watching MSNBC, and few watching other networks. Also less independents watching MSNBC. Apparently, though, you idiotic clown, to you, this would indicate that MSNBC had become more balanced.

THINK. For **** sake.

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#79 Aug 27 2008 at 8:46 PM Rating: Good
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But that's just a guess. It fits the facts and makes sense


No, it does neither. As usual, you've started with a conclusion based on your almost unerringly flawed intuition, and tried to shoehorn it into whatever facts may exist. Also as usual, this results in logicless disaster that people just laugh at.

Riddle me this: Were a hypothetical news channel spewing out right wing propaganda, what would the numbers in this study look like? Oh right.

Christ.

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#80 Aug 27 2008 at 8:54 PM Rating: Good
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I don't think I could ever be friends with someone who watches cable news.


#83 Aug 28 2008 at 7:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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No need to be upset that Fox news has a larger audience than pbs, pmsnbc, and cnn combined.


It doesn't, little buddy. It's in fifth place.

Also, I checked out their new Fox Business channel, and the ratings are so bad that before they went to commercial the anchor said "Thanks, Smash, please don't leave!"

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#85 Aug 28 2008 at 1:23 PM Rating: Good
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That would seem to support the idea that it's those other stations that are presenting an imbalanced view of events and Fox that's presenting a more balanced view, not the other way around.


No, it wouldn't support it at all. Nor would it "seem" to. However, the fact that Fox has the fewest independent viewers and MSNBC the highest would indeed support the idea that MSNBC is more balanced, and Fox is the least balanced.


Er? Did you look at the page I linked? All of the news sources listed had between 22% and 27% independent viewers. I think the 5% gap in that number is completely overwhelmed by the -21% difference in Republican viewers coupled with a +12% difference in Democrats.

You say I'm "bad at analysis", but c'mon. You can't seriously be looking at the smallest number and saying it's more important than the others.
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#86 Aug 28 2008 at 6:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Smasharoo wrote:

No need to be upset that Fox news has a larger audience than pbs, pmsnbc, and cnn combined.


It doesn't, little buddy. It's in fifth place.


In what category? Not in numbers of viewers (which is implied by "larger audience").

Every source I can find ranks Fox as having the highest total viewers of any cable news service.

Here's one that's pretty straightforward

Fox news, while not more than the others combined, is significantly higher in total viewers. It's also in the lead in every single age demographic both primetime and daily. And it's also got the number one show in every single timeslot.


Gotta say though Smash, when you lie, you do lie big...
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#87 Aug 28 2008 at 7:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Fox news, while not more than the others combined,


Hi. These are cable networks. There are four major broadcast networks. Do the math, fuckstick.


Gotta say though Smash, when you lie, you do lie big...


Yeah, and when you cite something, it's always a great laugh.

Thanks again, man. You're batting 1.001 on me laughing when you try and argue like an adult.



Edited, Aug 28th 2008 11:27pm by Smasharoo
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#88 Aug 28 2008 at 7:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Er? Did you look at the page I linked? All of the news sources listed had between 22% and 27% independent viewers. I think the 5% gap in that number is completely overwhelmed by the -21% difference in Republican viewers coupled with a +12% difference in Democrats.

You say I'm "bad at analysis", but c'mon. You can't seriously be looking at the smallest number and saying it's more important than the others.


Percentages are numbers now? Interesting. So if 1 out of 2 women find me attractive, and 700 out of 1300 find Johnny Depp attractive, more women find me attractive?

FACINATING

Tell more of this mythical world where a higher percentage equals a larger total. It's amazing.

Oh wait, I see you've helpfully offered a cite with real numbers. Let's see now...take the percentages, apply them to the whole numbers....hmmm...what's the percentage of the total number of republicans who watch Fox.

Aught oh.

Poor, Captain. Disproving himself since 2000. Good work, ace. Throw up some more cites, it's so much easier when you disprove your own claims without me having to do a godamn thing.



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#89 Aug 29 2008 at 3:06 AM Rating: Good
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Lets all just watch Al Jazeera and be done with this silly discussion. :P
#90 Aug 29 2008 at 3:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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Lets all just watch Al Jazeera and be done with this silly discussion. :P


I watch it sometimes, and it's quite informative. You get lots of stories that don't get reported anywhere else, a different point of view, interviews with people you've never heard of. And Arabs. Lots of Arabs.

It's quite cool.
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#92 Aug 29 2008 at 11:58 AM Rating: Good
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I watch it sometimes, and it's quite informative. You get lots of stories that don't get reported anywhere else, a different point of view,


True dat....
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#93 Aug 29 2008 at 1:02 PM Rating: Default
"What if you're shouting fire in a crowded theater?"


Freedom of speech does stop short of putting people in danger. Your right to swing your fist stops at the tip of my nose.
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"What if you're shouting fire in a crowded theater?"


Freedom of speech does stop short of putting people in danger.


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