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#52 Aug 26 2008 at 12:19 PM Rating: Good
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You don't see a difference between disallowing explicit scenes on tv and forcing radio stations to carry commentators they don't wish to based solely on their politics?


Not particularly.

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This doesn't occur, unless the basic cable channels also broadcast on antenna. All censoring done by TBS or USA or whatever is strictly voluntary and market force driven.


I was actually thinking specifically of the Janet Jackson wardrobe issue on NBC, but this is still interesting to know. And it makes sense, considering the things that South Park gets away with on Comedy Central...
#53 Aug 26 2008 at 12:46 PM Rating: Good
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The proposal in question wouldn't effect Fox News in any way.


Sorry. couldn't be ***** to read the whole thread. i was responding to the title..

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News Flash: Liberals hate Fox News


Are you all arguing about nipples and stuff??
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#54 Aug 26 2008 at 6:00 PM Rating: Default
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Not necessarily. There's a world of difference between setting standards for age-appropriate content and determining whether a particular political viewpoint got its fair share of airtime this month on a given network. Imposing social norms in public forums isn't really equivalent to imposing a common political view.


False. Exactly equivalent.


No. They're not.

A closer analogy would be a regulation that required any channel showing pornography to give equal time to offsetting programing, Like say children's shows. With the definition of "pornography" and "children's shows" up to the regulators.

If such a regulation were imposed we would expect that this would have the effect of preventing any channel from airing any content that might be categorized as pornography, since it'll end up costing them more money than it's worth. For example, Playboy TV would be required to put 12 hours of children's shows on. Given that I doubt any parents would tune in to Playboy for their children's entertainment needs, that would be lost revenue and would effectively put them off the air.

That's much closer to an equivalent example (although I used the example of a cable channel in this case). It was specifically targeted at one type of programming and placed undue burden on it. In an open market, if one area is heavily regulated and one isn't, the non-regulated area will tend to thrive. In practice, what happened was that most stations simply didn't carry any sort of political commentary. It was easier to air other content. The result is that political speech was curtailed.


It may not technically be a violation of the first amendment, but it's a really really bad idea. Also, in the form that many Dems want to bring it back, it's targeted solely at radio. So not only do we get the normal problems associated with the doctrine in the first place, but it would be applied solely in the area in which conservative talk has the most presence and not in the area in which liberal talk does.

Fairness? Not really...


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The fact that you're ok with one and not another doesn't actually make then distinct.


No. The fact that they aren't at all similar does.

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It just makes you a hypocrite. Shocking, I know, given your normal rigid ethical consistency.


No. A hypocrite would be someone who supports regulation on one form of speech, but only those that he doesn't like, all while claiming to support free speech.


Are you seriously making your core counterargument that if I don't like the fairness doctrine, and don't want to eliminate the FCC entirely that I'm a hypocrite? It's a regulatory body Smash. It's perfectly valid for me to be ok with one method of regulation and not another, without needing to toss the entire thing out.

Are you saying that someone can't disagree with a speed limit law unless they want to eliminate all laws regulating driving entirely? Isn't that a bit of a stretch? I think so...

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#55REDACTED, Posted: Aug 26 2008 at 6:00 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Better get used to it. The good old days of the democrats being able to rely on ABC, CBS and NBC to not run bad news about them is over. Not that they don't still try, it just makes them look foolish when they are reporting on news that is a week old in hopes it will just go away.
#56 Aug 26 2008 at 6:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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Bumstick.

Did a Democrat nail your fucking cat to your front door when you were a sprog or something?

I was commenting on the journalistic integrity of the Fox News Corp.

I'll talk about the same subject in relation to other news outlets too if you like, but I don't suppose you would have the attention span to keep up.

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#57REDACTED, Posted: Aug 26 2008 at 6:29 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Someones angry. My job is done.
#58 Aug 26 2008 at 6:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I was commenting on the journalistic integrity of the Fox News Corp.


Compared to say MSNBC or CNN? Have you watched them and compared? Or just parroting what you heard?

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I'll talk about the same subject in relation to other news outlets too if you like, but I don't suppose you would have the attention span to keep up.


Please do. I make a point to watch a representative sample of the three major cable news services. While I'm sure you may feel differently, Fox News has a much more diverse commentator staff and a much more diverse viewer base.
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#59 Aug 26 2008 at 6:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Fox is more biased by orders of magnitude. It's nowhere approaching close.

This would be why their ratings have fallen through the floor in the past few years.

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#60 Aug 26 2008 at 8:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Compared to say MSNBC or CNN? Have you watched them and compared?


MSNBC we dont get here. CNN yes. And tho' CNN leaves a lot to be desired, its a beacon of truth and balance in comparison to overdramatised biased hogwash that FOX peddles as fact.

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Fox News has a much more diverse commentator staff and a much more diverse viewer base.


Sure theres that Colmes chap and prolly a couple of others. But any 'news' organisation that gives as much airtime to the likes of Coulter, Malkin and that verbal imbecilic thug called O'Reilly, deserves nothing but contempt from a thinking individual who has an interest in whats going on in the world around them.

Diverse viewer base?? Sure, if you are the sort of dimwit who thinks that 'Country and Western' are two different types of music, I could see why you would come to that conclusion.
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#61 Aug 27 2008 at 1:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Diverse viewer base?? Sure, if you are the sort of dimwit who thinks that 'Country and Western' are two different types of music, I could see why you would come to that conclusion.


Oh come on Paulsol, you're being unfair.

Fox News have very diverse viewers: right-wingers, extreme right-wingers, fascists, Republicans, Conservatives, religious nutjobs, the evangelicals, racists, rednecks, or a combination of all of the above, aka Knox.
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#62 Aug 27 2008 at 4:30 AM Rating: Good
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Fox News have very diverse viewers: right-wingers, extreme right-wingers, fascists, Republicans, Conservatives, religious nutjobs, the evangelicals, racists, rednecks, or a combination of all of the above, aka Knox.


And, of course there's the people who just don't know better. Which are the group that worries me. It's one thing to have your bias reinforced and something entirely different to have one covertly created for you.
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CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC's numbers have fallen more.


Nope. MSNBC's numbers are up huge, CNN's are up slightly less. Only FoxNews has lost viewers.

Sorry, little buddy.

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#66 Aug 27 2008 at 7:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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#67 Aug 27 2008 at 8:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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Fox News have very diverse viewers: right-wingers, extreme right-wingers, fascists, Republicans, Conservatives, religious nutjobs, the evangelicals, racists, rednecks, or a combination of all of the above, aka Knox


Actually I get most of my news from you guys. What does that make you?


More informed.
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But any 'news' organisation that gives as much airtime to the likes of Coulter, Malkin and that verbal imbecilic thug called O'Reilly, deserves nothing but contempt from a thinking individual who has an interest in whats going on in the world around them.


In other words. Any news organization that includes a perspective you don't agree with must be biased?

Ever consider that this is just a measure of your own bias? Or that of the news organizations you normally watch?

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Diverse viewer base?? Sure, if you are the sort of dimwit who thinks that 'Country and Western' are two different types of music, I could see why you would come to that conclusion.


No. "Diverse viewer base" as in an almost equal number of Democrats watch Fox News as Republicans. According to this a recent PEW study

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The general public has become more Democratic since 2006, and this is reflected in the audiences for leading TV news outlets. The audiences for CNN and MSNBC, which were heavily Democratic two years ago, have become even more so: fully 51% of CNN's regular viewers are Democrats while only 18% are Republicans. MSNBC's audience makeup is similar - 45% of regular viewers of MSNBC are Democrats, 18% are Republicans.

The regular audience for nightly network news also is now about two-to-one Democratic (45% vs. 22% Republican). In 2006, 40% of the regular viewers of nightly network news were Democrats compared with 28% who were Republicans.

The regular audience for the Fox News Channel continues to include more Republicans than Democrats. Currently, 39% of regular Fox News viewers are Republicans while 33% are Democrats; in 2006, the margin was 38% to 31%.


39% Republican.
33% Democrat.

Every other news source in the list has about 3 to 1 Democrats watching them. Want to guess why?

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#71 Aug 27 2008 at 12:31 PM Rating: Good
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Ever consider that this is just a measure of your own bias?


Yup. I've considered that that may bethe case. I've rejected it tho, because I'm more intelligent and far less easily conned than that.
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Every other news source in the list has about 3 to 1 Democrats watching them. Want to guess why?
They got tired of Fox's obvious bias? Smiley: laugh
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Every other news source in the list has about 3 to 1 Democrats watching them. Want to guess why?


They're more Democratic leaning than Fox News? I struggle to see your point here. Is it that Fox is so shockingly biased, that GOP suckers are amazingly unlikely to go anywhere else for news? Democrats, it seems, take in all sources in about equal numbers. It's only the GOP suckers that seem to gravitate to Fox.

Was that your point? Or was it just that MSNBC, like the Journal of the John Birch Society and The Washington Times is more Democratic leaning than Fox?
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The point is that people tend to watch news shows that match their own viewpoint the most. Certainly, you wouldn't expect a large number of people to watch one that did nothing but present opinions that they themselves don't agree with at all.

When that ratio gets sufficiently imbalanced, you'd expect to see the news coverage get progressively more lopsided over time. What the Pew study shows is that the more "mainstream" news stations are getting more lopsided, while Fox News is getting less lopsided.

That would seem to support the idea that it's those other stations that are presenting an imbalanced view of events and Fox that's presenting a more balanced view, not the other way around.

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#75 Aug 27 2008 at 4:22 PM Rating: Excellent
Thing is, most of the liberals that watch Fox News are watching it for the lulz or so they can blog furiously about it afterward.
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Thing is, most of the liberals that watch Fox News are watching it for the lulz or so they can blog furiously about it afterward.


Some. What do you think I'm doing when I watch Olbermann? That's not going to skew the numbers significantly either way, certainly not in the "regular viewer" category of this study. And it still doesn't address the trend I mentioned in my last post. All the other news agencies in the study have become less balanced in terms of viewership while Fox News has become more balanced.

We can debate *why* that's happening, but it's clearly not as simplistic as "Fox News just spouts far right garbage!!!". If I were to toss out a likely explanation, it would be that the other news organizations have become more liberal in their slant, making them more appealing to the hard core liberal viewers while driving away moderate Democrats. Those people are moving to Fox. The end result is a more balanced audience watching Fox, and a more liberal audience watching everything else.

But that's just a guess. It fits the facts and makes sense, but by all means feel free to come up with your own speculation. Preferably one that also matches those same facts...
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