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#27 Aug 22 2008 at 9:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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include a few that we consider to be crucial, such as polio
I thought they stopped vaccinating for that in the late 60's or early 70's or so. Did they start again?


Yeah, several years ago, mainly because the virus hasn't been eradicated worldwide.

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#28 Aug 22 2008 at 10:08 AM Rating: Good
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I'm still on the fence about it. I can't imagine my daughter catching Polio if she missed a vaccination. I think that the immune system should get a good healthy workout before stuffing it full of "meds" but I'd need to more research on it before I'd commit to a stance.

Technically, vaccinations ARE a good healthy work-out of the immune system.
#29 Aug 22 2008 at 10:24 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm still on the fence about it. I can't imagine my daughter catching Polio if she missed a vaccination. I think that the immune system should get a good healthy workout before stuffing it full of "meds" but I'd need to more research on it before I'd commit to a stance.


Vaccinations normally stimulate the immune system. If they don't, then your kid DOES become Igor the hump backed child (or he gets given some antibiotics - the point is, though, that vaccinations are meant to get your immune system used to whatever it is you're vaccinating against).

Edited, Aug 22nd 2008 1:21pm by Kavekk
#30 Aug 22 2008 at 11:05 AM Rating: Good
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the opportunity to expose Tristan to the chicken pox will undoubtedly come up soon, conferring more thorough and much longer-lasting immunity.


Yeah, or he'll die. Worth the risk.

You're such a terrible parent.


meh. The flu kills too, and supposedly kids are supposed to get vaccinated for that, but it seems to be everytime I schedule a vaccination for the kids, they've run out, are running out, and dont think my kids need it. I have to fight to get them that yearly shot, and even then it only helps for a select few strains.

Kids can die from almost anything, if they catch it severe enough, or they are already weak. For those who are already weak, they should most definitely be watched and evaluated rigorously. I've had the chicken pox a few times and Im still alive so Im not too worried.
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Kids can die from almost anything, if they catch it severe enough, or they are already weak. For those who are already weak, they should most definitely be watched and evaluated rigorously. I've had the chicken pox a few times and Im still alive so Im not too worried.


Right, but you pull them inside to avoid lightning.

Good risk management, there.

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I've had the chicken pox a few times and Im still alive so Im not too worried.
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#33 Aug 22 2008 at 12:28 PM Rating: Good
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I had the chicken pox when I was in 7th grade. They really ARE worse the older you get. I got them from my little sister, and she hardly had any reaction. I hate her.

Noah's up to date on all his vaccines and aside from a slight fever, he's never had any reaction to them.

And I admit, I skimmed a lot of this thread, but regarding polio vaccines: aren't they given as a liquid dose now and not that horrible shot we got when we were kids? It seems like I remember Noah getting something like that when he was littler.
#34 Aug 22 2008 at 12:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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regarding polio vaccines: aren't they given as a liquid dose now


I know it was given orally for a long time. I don't know about now.

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#35 Aug 22 2008 at 12:44 PM Rating: Good
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This says that the oral vaccine is no longer given, except in rare cases. So I guess I'm remembering wrong. I'm sure I was drunk that day anyway.
#36 Aug 22 2008 at 12:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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OPV goes through the digestive tract and out of the **** (rear end).


So nice of them to clear that up. I'd been wondering what that whole "****" thing was.

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#37 Aug 22 2008 at 2:13 PM Rating: Good
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Kids can die from almost anything, if they catch it severe enough, or they are already weak. For those who are already weak, they should most definitely be watched and evaluated rigorously. I've had the chicken pox a few times and Im still alive so Im not too worried.


Right, but you pull them inside to avoid lightning.

Good risk management, there.



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#38 Aug 22 2008 at 2:53 PM Rating: Good
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We live in NYC, not vaccinating is not an option, too many fresh immigrants come through here. Though I would prefer to have the combination vaccines separated into single shots so as to have less stress and risk on the kids.
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Actually just got back from the peds, Thom's third round of shots at 6 months.
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#40 Aug 23 2008 at 2:37 PM Rating: Decent
Kavekk wrote:
Vaccinations normally stimulate the immune system. If they don't, then your kid DOES become Igor the hump backed child (or he gets given some antibiotics - the point is, though, that vaccinations are meant to get your immune system used to whatever it is you're vaccinating against).


Gee, I wonder what the hell we did to survive all this time without them? How could we possibly have made it all this time without a chickenpox vaccination?

/scoff

Edited, Aug 23rd 2008 5:34pm by Kaelesh
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Gee, I wonder what the hell we did to survive all this time without them? How could we possibly have made it all this time without a chickenpox vaccination?

Excellent argument. Society seemed to be doing pretty well when barbers handled most medical care too. Hell, we survived without agriculture or housing. What a ******* waste of time progress is.

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#42 Aug 23 2008 at 2:57 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't see any reason why children shouldn't get the basics. MMR and all that.

I never realized chicken pox was so deadly that it warranted a vaccine. I had it twice as a kid. (Doctors said it was due to the first time being a very small infection, I only had maybe 6 red bumps over the entire time). None of my friends ever had anything worse than a few days of a fever, and being itchy.

I also didn't know they gave Hep. B vaccinations to children. I didn't get them til I was 18, before I went to college. Same with Meningitis.

As for flu vaccines. Not unless my kid had some sort of strange immune deficiency.

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#43 Aug 24 2008 at 1:18 AM Rating: Good
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Kaelesh wrote:
Kavekk wrote:
Vaccinations normally stimulate the immune system. If they don't, then your kid DOES become Igor the hump backed child (or he gets given some antibiotics - the point is, though, that vaccinations are meant to get your immune system used to whatever it is you're vaccinating against).


Gee, I wonder what the hell we did to survive all this time without them? How could we possibly have made it all this time without a chickenpox vaccination?

/scoff

Edited, Aug 23rd 2008 5:34pm by Kaelesh

Yeah, as far as I know, sewerage infrastructure, the use of soap to wash after going to the toilet and before operations, and the development and almost universal use of vaccinations against the most common disabler and killing diseases are jointly the biggest causes of life expectancy shooting up from 35 150 years ago, to 70 today.
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My kids are up to date. I have never had chicken pox!!!
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#45 Aug 25 2008 at 4:39 AM Rating: Decent
Why would you not give your kid the Hep B vac?
#46 Aug 25 2008 at 4:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Gee, I wonder what the hell we did to survive all this time without them? How could we possibly have made it all this time without a chickenpox vaccination?

/scoff


You know, that would be a great argument, if you don't mind a nearly 50% infant mortality rate and a life expectancy of less than 40 years.

Stupid twunt.
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Measles outbreaks may be linked to vaccine fears

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Measles cases in the U.S. are at the highest level in more than a decade, with nearly half of those involving children whose parents rejected vaccination, health officials reported Thursday.
Kids who are home-schooled or have exemptions don't have to get vaccinations.

Kids who are home-schooled or have exemptions don't have to get vaccinations.

Worried doctors say they are troubled by the trend fueled by unfounded fears that vaccines may cause autism. The number of cases is still small, just 131, but that's only for the first seven months of the year. There were only 42 cases for all of last year.

"We're seeing a lot more spread. That is concerning to us," said Dr. Jane Seward of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Pediatricians are frustrated, saying they are having to spend more time convincing parents that the shot is safe.

"This year, we certainly have had parents asking more questions," said Dr. Ari Brown, an Austin, Texas, physician who is a spokeswoman for the American Academy of Pediatrics.

The CDC's review found that a number of cases involved home-schooled children not required to get the vaccines. Others can avoid vaccination by seeking exemptions, such as for religious reasons.

Measles, best known for a red skin rash, is a potentially deadly, highly infectious virus that spreads through contact with a sneezing, coughing, infected person.

It is no longer endemic to the United States, but every year cases enter the country through foreign visitors or Americans returning from abroad. Measles epidemics have exploded in Israel, Switzerland and some other countries. But high U.S. childhood vaccination rates have prevented major outbreaks here.

In a typical year, only one outbreak occurs in the United States, infecting perhaps 10 to 20 people. This year through July 30, the country has seen seven outbreaks, including one in Illinois with 30 cases, said Seward, of the CDC's Division of Viral Diseases.

None of the 131 patients died, but 15 were hospitalized.

Childhood measles vaccination rates have stayed above 92 percent, according to 2006 data. However, the recent outbreaks suggest that pockets of unvaccinated children are forming. Health officials worry that vaccination rates have begun to fall, something that won't show up in the data for a couple of years.

The vaccine is considered highly effective but not perfect; 11 of this year's cases had at least one dose of the vaccine.

Of this year's total, 122 were unvaccinated or had unknown vaccination status. Some were unvaccinated because the children were younger than 1, too young to get their first measles shot.

In 63 of those cases -- almost all of them 19 or younger -- the patient or their parents refused the shots for philosophical or religious reasons, the CDC reported.

In Washington state, an outbreak was traced to a church conference, including 16 school-aged children who were not vaccinated. Eleven of those kids were home-schooled and not subject to vaccination rules in public schools. It's unclear why the parents rejected the vaccine.

The Illinois outbreak, triggered by a teenager who had traveled to Italy, included 25 home-schooled children, according to the CDC report.

The nation once routinely saw hundreds of thousands of measles cases each year and hundreds of deaths. But immunization campaigns were credited with dramatically reducing the numbers. The last time health officials saw this many cases was 1997, when 138 were reported.

The Academy of Pediatrics has made educating parents about the safety of vaccines one of its priorities this year. That's partly because busy doctors have grown frustrated by the amount of time they're spending answering parents' questions about things they read on the Internet or heard from TV talk shows.

In June, the CDC interviewed 33 physicians in Austin, suburban Seattle, Washington and Hollywood, Florida, about childhood vaccinations. Several complained about patient backlogs caused by parents stirred up by information of dubious scientific merit, according to the CDC report.

Questions commonly center on autism and the fear that it can be caused by the measles shots or by a mercury-based preservative that used to be in most vaccines. Health officials say there is no good scientific proof that either is a cause.

Also, since 2001, the preservative has been removed from shots recommended for young children, and it was never in the measles-mumps-rubella combination vaccine. It can still be found in some flu shots.

Brown said she wrote a 16-page, single-spaced document for parents that explains childhood vaccinations and why doctors do not believe that they cause autism. She began handing it out this spring and thinks it's been a help to parents and a time-saver for her.

"People want that level of information," she said.

At least one outbreak this year of another preventable disease was blamed on lack of immunizations. At least 17 children were sick with whooping cough at a private school in the San Francisco Bay area, and 13 were not vaccinated against the disease, which can be fatal to children.
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#48 Aug 25 2008 at 5:07 PM Rating: Good
Yep, we vaccinate early. After the first three or four people basically told me not to, I started getting more colorful with them. Apparently southern California is rife with non-vaccinators. I have no patience with people who without the benefit of medical training give medical advice which could lead to death. And they find doctors who go along with this. I've been refered to them. I've been told they will scan the news for signs of (insert your favorite preventable disease here) and only is case your child is at risk, vaccinate then.

Of course, not vaccinating is going to work great if you are the only one. So these nonvaccinating nutjobs have solid emperical evidence: they have kids (or grandkids) who are just fine! And these are school age kids. They have forged vaccination papers.

In summary, it is like all the bad arguments we have on this messageboard.
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It's true. I've had an inexplicable urge to change citizenship to Canada as of late and count the months as they go by while I wait for lifesaving surgery.


That does sound awful. Not as awful as having to fight against a for profit corporation willing to let you die to save money, but pretty bad.

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#50 Aug 25 2008 at 7:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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We weren't really happy that the hospital gave the HepB shot at birth. My ped wasn't either actually, he said that was supposed to be given after a couple of weeks. Or maybe that was MMR. I forget already.

Mr. Pikko was very paranoid about it all since our nephew we're close with is autistic. Despite all that though, the kids have all their disease shots, but we choose to opt out of flu shots for the kids, instead making sure all the adults in the house get them. Not that it helped, since I got a late strain in May that my doc says probably wasn't in the shot.

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#51 Aug 25 2008 at 7:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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Having a grand daughter who seems to catch every bug her bother is expose to at school, I can only hope that there are no kids who parents have thought they should not have there children vaccinated.

I had mumps and measles as a child and been under quarantine when my bother had scarlet fever. If you're worry about the chance of your child reacting to something in the vaccine more then protecting them from childhood disease, please keep them away from those of us who have weaken immune systems.

I hoping someday they will develop a vaccine for Fifth's disease.
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