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I think most liberals take an existentialist view of procreation.

We're not concerned about the ones that haven't been born yet because we're more concerned about the ones that are already here. Unlike all the warmongering fundies who preach the sanctity of life and then go kill civilians in other countries.

Its the height of hypocrisy to say that "everyone" deserves to have life, then to advocate the killing and torture of other human beings -- men, women, children. If a Blackwater guard in Iraq kills a pregnant civilian Iraqi girl, is it abortion? Murder? Double murder? Is it any more or less of a tragedy that a potential life was killed because she wasn't an American?

Take care of the ones that are already born first. The toddler child of the crackhead mother that needs food. The little ones in elementary school that are shot because of unrestricted gun laws. The teenagers who will experiment with sex no matter how much you preach abstinence that need to know how to prevent pregnancy and STDs. The young men and women that we send off to war then fail to give adequate veterans care to afterward. The husband and wife who are trying to have a child, only to discover that the ovum implanted in the fallopian tube instead of the uterus, and she will die if it's not surgically terminated (ectopic pregnancy, the leading cause of death in pregnant women in South American countries where abortion is outlawed. No baby has ever been born out of one of these because the mother dies within a month of the implantation.) And the senior citizens, abanded by their families and left to rot in a nursing home with only social security to pay for their care.

There are too many problems in this world, and too many damn people, for humans to continue to procreate irresponsibly.

My husband threatens to put me on welfare all the time so he can leave us. True story. =(

The people I've known that got food stamps bought food with them. When I was in high school, I saw women with children coming in to buy food with WIC checks and food stamps all the time.

Nexa

I guess that's the difference between our upbringings. You were surrounded by people that hit kids, left their partners for small money, and took advantage of the government and I wasn't. No wonder you're bitter.

Nexa

While there are a lot of honest people, there are also a lot of dishonest people (obvious, I know). When I worked at a convenience store it was common to see a woman walk up to the store, kids in tow, stop outside and hand each child a one dollar food stamp, have each child buy a single piece of 5 cent gum or candy, return with the change, then the woman would come in and buy smokes or alcohol. Happened several times almost every single day.

I'm sure the same women also purchased groceries with the food stamps (just not at the convenience store), but it's pretty naive to suggest that a significant portion of that money doesn't go to paying for things that are not about providing food for their children. Also, it was quite clear to me that the women who did this were using their children to get whatever other things they wanted.


Oh. And Paul? You do realize that your position on abortion is almost *exactly* the same as mine? The difference is that I believe that the correct way to get there is via a legislative process involving public debate and this thing called "voting". I think that arbitrarily changing or manipulating the definition of things like "rights" and "human" in order to make a judicial case and force a change by fiat from on high is the wrong way to go about it. Even if the results are what I'd vote for, to me the method we use to get there is just as important.

So you agree that the Roe v. Wade decision was a bad one and we should work to overrule it? I'm just trying to see where your position is on this...

Of course I dont think God is real!!

Do You?

And does he answer you?