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#1 Aug 15 2008 at 12:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Texas school district to let teachers carry guns
Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:41pm EDT


HOUSTON (Reuters) - A Texas school district will let teachers bring guns to class this fall, the district's superintendent said on Friday, in what experts said appeared to be a first in the United States.

The board of the small rural Harrold Independent School District unanimously approved the plan and parents have not objected, said the district's superintendent, David Thweatt.

School experts backed Thweatt's claim that Harrold, a system of about 110 students 150 miles northwest of Fort Worth, may be the first to let teachers bring guns to the classroom.

Thweatt said it is a matter of safety.

"We have a lock-down situation, we have cameras, but the question we had to answer is, 'What if somebody gets in? What are we going to do?" he said. "It's just common sense."

Teachers who wish to bring guns will have to be certified to carry a concealed handgun in Texas and get crisis training and permission from school officials, he said.

Recent school shootings in the United States have prompted some calls for school officials to allow students and teachers to carry legally concealed weapons into classrooms.

The U.S. Congress once barred guns at schools nationwide, but the U.S. Supreme Court struck the law down, although state and local communities could adopt their own laws. Texas bars guns at schools without the school's permission.



How long before a kid gets hold of his math teacher's Glock and goes postal?
#2 Aug 15 2008 at 12:43 PM Rating: Decent
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They almost implemented that at my high school after my and my brother's exploits.
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#3 Aug 15 2008 at 12:59 PM Rating: Good
#363rd reason why I'll never live in Texas.



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#4 Aug 15 2008 at 1:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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How long before a kid gets hold of his math teacher's Glock and goes postal?

Or until a kid pulls out his cell phone and a teacher shoots him in the face.

#5 Aug 15 2008 at 1:07 PM Rating: Decent
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How long before a kid gets hold of his math teacher's Glock and goes postal?

Or until a kid pulls out his cell phone and a teacher shoots him in the face.



So are we going to start a betting pool on this?


That would be fun!
#6 Aug 15 2008 at 1:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Probably won't be any incidents this year since everyone will be very aware of the newness of it all.

Next year, though, some teacher will leave a gun in an unlocked desk drawer.

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#7 Aug 15 2008 at 1:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Probably won't be any incidents this year since everyone will be very aware of the newness of it all.

Next year, though, some teacher will leave a gun in an unlocked desk drawer.


If the teacher's desks of today are anything like those from when I was in school, a lock isn't going to help anyway.
#9 Aug 15 2008 at 1:18 PM Rating: Default
HATE this state. What the hell are these people thinking.
#10 Aug 15 2008 at 1:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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#363rd reason why I'll never live in Texas.


You wouldn't like it there anyway. Texas doesn't welcome p*ssies.


You got rejected at the border, huh?
#11 Aug 15 2008 at 1:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Guns don't kill people.

Kids with guns kill people.
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#12 Aug 15 2008 at 1:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Probably won't be any incidents this year since everyone will be very aware of the newness of it all.

Next year, though, some teacher will leave a gun in an unlocked desk drawer.


Hey, you've lived in the South. Is daily life as full of ludicrous overreactions as the public policy is? Like, if you came home with a berry stain on a dress or something, would your father drive around in a 50 mile area burning down all the berry bushes?

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Probably won't be any incidents this year since everyone will be very aware of the newness of it all.

Next year, though, some teacher will leave a gun in an unlocked desk drawer.


Hey, you've lived in the South. Is daily life as full of ludicrous overreactions as the public policy is? Like, if you came home with a berry stain on a dress or something, would your father drive around in a 50 mile area burning down all the berry bushes?



It was pretty nuts. My parents were on the calm side of the scale, and even so my dad made a point of showing my dates his gun collection.

And yes, a short perusal of blue laws and other one-off legislative misadventures shows us that no human activity is safe from judicial (but not particularly judicious) meddling.

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#14 Aug 15 2008 at 1:50 PM Rating: Decent
As it sits now any moron that can get ahold of a gun can shoot up a school and be 99% sure no one will be shooting back at him. I think if I were to go on a killing spree I wouldn't start in a place where my victim's could shoot back. It would be so much easier to go the the other school that bans guns and has no way to protect themselves.
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As it sits now any moron that can get ahold of a gun can shoot up a school and be 99% sure no one will be shooting back at him. I think if I were to go on a killing spree I wouldn't start in a place where my victim's could shoot back. It would be so much easier to go the the other school that bans guns and has no way to protect themselves.


Sure, that's the pathology. Not "I want to shoot up my school for revenge." but "I want to shoot up a random school. Let me see if I can find the one with the weakest defenses".

Yup, you nailed it.



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#16 Aug 15 2008 at 2:01 PM Rating: Decent
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#363rd reason why I'll never live in Texas.


You wouldn't like it there anyway. Texas doesn't welcome p*ssies.




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Hey, you've lived in the South. Is daily life as full of ludicrous overreactions as the public policy is? Like, if you came home with a berry stain on a dress or something, would your father drive around in a 50 mile area burning down all the berry bushes?

What do you think the president is doing on his vacations? That brush is going to be sorry it ever tripped him as a child.
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Boomsticker wrote:
As it sits now any moron that can get ahold of a gun can shoot up a school and be 99% sure no one will be shooting back at him. I think if I were to go on a killing spree I wouldn't start in a place where my victim's could shoot back. It would be so much easier to go the the other school that bans guns and has no way to protect themselves.

How many sociopathic killing sprees involve escape plans?

#20 Aug 15 2008 at 3:48 PM Rating: Default
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As it sits now any moron that can get ahold of a gun can shoot up a school and be 99% sure no one will be shooting back at him. I think if I were to go on a killing spree I wouldn't start in a place where my victim's could shoot back. It would be so much easier to go the the other school that bans guns and has no way to protect themselves.

How many sociopathic killing sprees involve escape plans?



Well, he's made a halfway decent point. Forget about the notion that a killer would simply pick another school; if the only school the killer is interested in shooting up now has the firepower to nail him before he accomplishes his goal, it would certainly make most individuals think twice before going postal. Maybe that's all that's necessary.

Then again, if the killer happens to know the only teacher in school who carries a gun, well, all you've done is taken the risk of smuggling the gun in out of the equation and made his plan much easier to setup.
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Well, he's made a halfway decent point. Forget about the notion that a killer would simply pick another school; if the only school the killer is interested in shooting up now has the firepower to nail him before he accomplishes his goal, it would certainly make most individuals think twice before going postal.


Individuals who weren't going to violently murder people? Sure. What it won't do is stop anyone who would have otherwise shot up a school. The more likely scenario is that they'll spend more time planning and possibly acquire more potent weaponry.

The pathology here isn't a big mystery. It's never been one to be deterred in this manner.
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#22 Aug 15 2008 at 8:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, he's made a halfway decent point. Forget about the notion that a killer would simply pick another school; if the only school the killer is interested in shooting up now has the firepower to nail him before he accomplishes his goal, it would certainly make most individuals think twice before going postal.


Individuals who weren't going to violently murder people? Sure. What it won't do is stop anyone who would have otherwise shot up a school. The more likely scenario is that they'll spend more time planning and possibly acquire more potent weaponry.

The pathology here isn't a big mystery. It's never been one to be deterred in this manner.


Do you have any idea of the number of would-be shooters who chicken out at the last minute because they either can't bring themselves to kill someone or are afraid of getting killed themselves? No, you don't, and neither do I, because it's an immeasurable statistic for which there is no valid data, but I'd wager that if it were measurable, the number would be exponentially higher than the number of people who actually go through with it, and given the assumption that most are turned away by their own cowardly instinct, adding the threat of return fire to the equation is yet another probable deterrence, even if it does come with it's own issues. Sure, it's not going to stop those who are dead set on killing everyone and then themselves, but anyone who entertains the notion that they might just get away with murder might now have to consider the possibility of return fire, at least in this particular school and those that follow suit.
#23 Aug 15 2008 at 9:09 PM Rating: Good
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anyone who entertains the notion that they might just get away with murder

Is not the same person that's walking into a school and opening fire.



#24 Aug 15 2008 at 9:18 PM Rating: Decent
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anyone who entertains the notion that they might just get away with murder

Is not the same person that's walking into a school and opening fire.


I disagree. Anyone who expects to get away with it is incredibly stupid and delusional, sure, but that doesn't mean they don't have thoughts of doing so.
#25 Aug 15 2008 at 9:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'd wager that if it were measurable, the number would be exponentially higher than the number of people who actually go through with it,


Well, yeah, the people who go through with it are indeed a subset of those who consider it. I'm not sure that's a very strong argument.

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#26 Aug 15 2008 at 9:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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The people that want to "get away with it" are going to plan some sort of stealthy attack, like planting a bomb, or sniping from a building across the street, or poisoning the food.

If they're delusional enough to think that they can "get away" with a shooting spree, then the logic of being deterred by armed resistance is unlikely to get through to them.

I'm sure there is some gray area, but you're largely looking at two completely different types of acts.


Edited, Aug 16th 2008 12:39am by trickybeck
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