But you know, Smash is right. I think the Pubbies should flaunt the idea that when McCain cheated, at least he did it with a woman.
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Nexa wrote:
Only in Kentucky and West Virginia, but in their defense, it's usually in a case of drunken misidentification.
"Do whut? I 'uz lookin' fer th' goat! GOL DANGIT MARABELLE! Whut was yu doin' in the goat pen?"
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
But you know, Smash is right. I think the Pubbies should flaunt the idea that when McCain cheated, at least he did it with a woman.
What I'd really like is some Democrat to stop with this "we honor his service" ******** and just say "you know, it's not like the guy jumped on a grenade. He was shot down by a culture with bronze age technology because he was a ****** pilot. This isn't in dispute, the guy could barely fly. This wasn't the first multi-million dollar jet he pissed away. So anyway, as I was saying, he was shot down and captured and tortured. Where's the heroic part again? Did he save someone who was at risk by having his balls lit on fire? He did not. While he suffered a terrible ordeal, that in itself, is not heroic. I sat through "Gigli", Sean, am I a hero too? Wohoo! I'm a hero!"
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I don't care for McCain's policy ideas, but yea, if you're captured and tortured for years while fighting a war for your country, you're a hero; you just gotta give him that.
He also could have left early but didn't.
Edited, Aug 14th 2008 4:03pm by DaimenKain
He also could have left early but didn't.
Edited, Aug 14th 2008 4:03pm by DaimenKain
DaimenKain wrote:
I don't care for McCain's policy ideas, but yea, if you're captured and tortured for years while fighting a war for your country, you're a hero; you just gotta give him that.
I prefer soldiers who avoid capture...I think that would be better leadership. I'm pretty sure, that were I to set my mind to it, I could probably get captured and tortured by enemy forces. I'm wicked mouthy.
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I don't care for McCain's policy ideas, but yea, if you're captured and tortured for years while fighting a war for your country, you're a hero
No, you fucking are not. You're either incompetent, as in McCain's case, or unlucky. Neither is heroic. Heroism involves self sacrifice for the sake of others, not being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Getting shot in the face doesn't make you a hero, getting shot in the face charging a machine gun that will kill your 10 friends if you don't does.
If he flew his plane into a missile to save another plane full of wounded troops, he's a hero. If he was shot down because the only reason he was flying jets at all is daddy pulled some strings, he's just a ****** pilot with a powerful daddy.
Edited, Aug 14th 2008 4:05pm by Smasharoo
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Smasharoo wrote:
I don't care for McCain's policy ideas, but yea, if you're captured and tortured for years while fighting a war for your country, you're a hero
No, you fucking are not. You're either incompetent, as in McCain's case, or unlucky. Neither is heroic. Heroism involves self sacrifice for the sake of others, not being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Getting shot in the face doesn't make you a hero, getting shot in the face charging a machine gun that will kill your 10 friends if you don't is.
Edited, Aug 1
4th 2008 4:03pm by Smasharoo
Yea but how about if you got shot in the face because you repeatedly refused to answer questions that would harm your fellow soldiers? Or if you willingly get shot in the face after being told you can leave, but don't leave because the men around you weren't being released too?
Yea but how about if you got shot in the face because you repeatedly refused to answer questions that would harm your fellow soldiers? Or if you willingly get shot in the face after being told you can leave, but don't leave because the men around you weren't being released too?
Are we talking about things that actually happened, or what you put in your campaign commercials? Because you're clearly not very familiar with the documentary evidence regarding McCain's stay in N Vietnam.
Regardless, no, you're not a hero. If you stay so someone else can be released, that's self sacrifice. If you stay, and everyone else stays too and there's no benefit to anyone, you're just functionally retarded.
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DaimenKain wrote:
if you're captured and tortured for years while fighting a war for your country, you're a hero; you just gotta give him that.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
DaimenKain wrote:
if you're captured and tortured for years while fighting a war for your country, you're a hero; you just gotta give him that.
I never once said it did, if you notice one of my last posts says "cheating on your wife is wrong and there's no justification for it". I'm just saying that it's pretty ridiculous to say McCain isn't a hero.
Smasharoo wrote:
Yea but how about if you got shot in the face because you repeatedly refused to answer questions that would harm your fellow soldiers? Or if you willingly get shot in the face after being told you can leave, but don't leave because the men around you weren't being released too?
Are we talking about things that actually happened, or what you put in your campaign commercials? Because you're clearly not very familiar with the documentary evidence regarding McCain's stay in N Vietnam.
Regardless, no, you're not a hero. If you stay so someone else can be released, that's self sacrifice. If you stay, and everyone else stays too and there's no benefit to anyone, you're just functionally retarded.
So enlighten me on where I can find the "real" documents about what happened to him.
I'm not even voting for McCain, but damn you're just really biased. I'm sure if he were the Democratic nominee you'd use his POW record to defend him.
Damien wrote:
I'm just saying that it's pretty ridiculous to say McCain isn't a hero.
What did he do that makes him a hero?
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
DaimenKain wrote:
it's pretty ridiculous to say McCain isn't a hero.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
DaimenKain wrote:
it's pretty ridiculous to say McCain isn't a hero.
Well, was/is depending on your view on that kind of thing. Just like if there was evidence he was a **** from 1967-1973, you would say he was probably still a ****.
I can't even believe I'm defending McCain, but you guys are just being really partisan.
I'm not even voting for McCain, but damn you're just really biased.
No, bias would require making arguments from things other than the facts.
I'm sure if he were the Democratic nominee you'd use his POW record to defend him.
No, if he were the Democratic nominee, I'd say I didn't care if ****** eleven monkies on a waterbed. I wouldn't vote for anyone based on their military record or who they ******* The GOP specifically targets voters WHO DO, however. Do you see what I'm getting at? If it came to light that a Democratic nominee didn't accept evolution in his thirties, then came around, I'd be less likely to vote for him, too and I ABSOLUTELY wouldn't dismiss it as unimportant.
If you're going to run on being a hero, and you're not a hero, it's not biased to point that out. I realize this country is obsessed with leftover Vietnam guilt, and the fellating of anyone in a uniform knows no bounds, but being captured and failing to escape does not, I repeat, not make one a hero. To claim otherwise jerks off onto the graves of men who really were heroes, and I refuse to stand by and watch someone do that.
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DaimenKain wrote:
you guys are just being really partisan.
McCain went through a terrible ordeal in Vietnam and showed a strength of character in coming through it. McCain showed an incredible lack of character when he placed his love for his own dick before his vow before his wife and his vow before God. I'm not going to say "He's a hero!" because his hero days ended in my eyes when he traded that integrity for a piece of tail. I'm further insulted by tools who insist that the former means everything but the latter has a thousand excuses why it doesn't reflect on what kind of man McCain is.
Edited, Aug 14th 2008 4:05pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I can't even believe I'm defending McCain, but you guys are just being really partisan.
Incorrect. I think you'll find we all agree Edwards was a douche, too. If he'd been trapped in a basement in Charlotte and raped with a pineapple for ten years, you wouldn't anyone defending his current relative douchebagerry here.
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If Smash confesses that he was making time
Hey, if I send you a grey fedora, will you post a picture wearing it? In black and white?
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
Smasharoo wrote:
If Smash confesses that he was making time
Hey, if I send you a grey fedora, will you post a picture wearing it? In black and white?
Hey, if I send you a grey fedora, will you post a picture wearing it? In black and white?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
And I'm not saying him being a war hero makes his cheating any better, but I mean the dude is (or was, whatever) a war hero, that's all I'm saying. He could have left getting tortured and imprisoned early, but didn't because it would have hurt the United States and it's image, which in turn could have made the war even worse, you never know.
So, smash says "well if he stayed to get others released it makes him hero"..well using that same logic, how is staying so that your enemy isn't helped even a little bit, not brave and heroic?
But just because he did that doesn't mean he gets a free pass on cheating on his wife or anything else.
So, smash says "well if he stayed to get others released it makes him hero"..well using that same logic, how is staying so that your enemy isn't helped even a little bit, not brave and heroic?
But just because he did that doesn't mean he gets a free pass on cheating on his wife or anything else.
DaimenKain wrote:
And I'm not saying him being a war hero makes his cheating any better, but I mean the dude is (or was, whatever) a war hero, that's all I'm saying.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I'm not sure how much of the "he could have left but chose to stay with his men because he's an hero!" I believe.
What I do believe, and find very interesting and puzzling, is how hard he worked subsequently to shut down any and all inquiries into MIAs and POWs still unaccounted for at the end of the war.
What I do believe, and find very interesting and puzzling, is how hard he worked subsequently to shut down any and all inquiries into MIAs and POWs still unaccounted for at the end of the war.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Samira wrote:
I'm not sure how much of the "he could have left but chose to stay with his men because he's an hero!" I believe.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
In 1968 (I think) McCain's father because the commander of the US in Vietnam and the Vietnamese wanted to release McCain for image reasons, but McCain refused unless all the men who were captured before him were also released.
And Joph, @ "that and fifty cents...etc": Yes I realize that, but someone (I think Smash) said he wasn't a hero (even then), and I was simply offering my opinions on why I thought he was wrong; Alot of you guys are confusing my defense of McCain's "hero" status as me defending his cheating, which I'm not.
And Joph, @ "that and fifty cents...etc": Yes I realize that, but someone (I think Smash) said he wasn't a hero (even then), and I was simply offering my opinions on why I thought he was wrong; Alot of you guys are confusing my defense of McCain's "hero" status as me defending his cheating, which I'm not.
Even operating under the assumption that he's the greatest hero ever known, that entitles him to:
- Veterans benefits for the rest of his life (ignoring his marriage into millions)
- a salute
- ceremonial honors, memorials, yadda yadda
It does not entitle him to:
- votes
- carte blanche
- exemption from jokes made at his expense
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