Question: Why are Alcohol and Tobacco legal but Marijuana isn't? Doesn't really make sense to me. Every argument I've heard against marijuana apply equally, or even more so, to alcohol and/or tobacco.
So, why the hypocrisy? I guess alcohol and tobacco companies just got lucky for getting in on the ground floor in this country, or their supporters have just had more money to give to politicians over the years.
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It has nothing to do with marijuana the 'drug', but everything to do with hemp, the 'product'.
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I think it'd be because they are slowly trying to make tobacco illegal, and they don't want to introduce another substance.
And don't kid yourself if you think that they wouldn't do to marijuana what they did to tobacco if the big companies ever got their hands on it and started mass producing it.
In order to make it burn better, last longer, taste better, what ever, they'll throw every poison under the kitchen sink and garage bench into the mix. The same thing they did to Tobacco.
And don't kid yourself if you think that they wouldn't do to marijuana what they did to tobacco if the big companies ever got their hands on it and started mass producing it.
In order to make it burn better, last longer, taste better, what ever, they'll throw every poison under the kitchen sink and garage bench into the mix. The same thing they did to Tobacco.
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TirithRR wrote:
I think it'd be because they are slowly trying to make tobacco illegal, and they don't want to introduce another substance.
I don't think that's it at all. Tobacco has been legal for a long period of time during which marijuana was illegal.
Btw, I'm not even advocating for the legalization of marijuana, I actually prefer it the way it is now. It's not taxed, and unless you're really stupid, you're not gonna get busted with it. But I just find it funny that people will say things like "marijuana is bad for you, it's a gateway drug, and it kills people every day", and then go light up a Marlboro and down a Sam Adams like 20mins later.
...more to do with racism, and political campaigning (read, saving the children).
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Why, marijuana makes fiends out of farm boys in thirty days! Harry Anslinger said so.
It also makes white women seek sexual relations with Negroes.
It also makes white women seek sexual relations with Negroes.
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Samira wrote:
Why, marijuana makes fiends out of farm boys in thirty days! Harry Anslinger said so.
It also makes white women seek sexual relations with Negroes.
It also makes white women seek sexual relations with Negroes.
What doesn't?
Nexa
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
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Now, now. They're not ALL like Obama.
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Samira wrote:
Now, now. They're not ALL like Obama.
Obama's black? When the **** did that happen and where the hell is my bananas foster?
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― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
Why are Alcohol and Tobacco legal but Marijuana isn't?
Too easy to grow, too hard to commercialize. That's the legitimate answer, moral bluster aside. While you can make your own whiskey, it's pretty much not worth the effort unless you're already some kind of corn or grain farmer. Planting your own tobacco isn't exactly cost effective, either. Any idiot can grow enough cannabis for private use that, were it legal, no one (of political importance) would benefit.
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Planting your own tobacco isn't exactly cost effective, either.
Ain't that the truth. That **** is nasty.
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Ain't that the truth. That sh*t is nasty.
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We had this discussion on another forum about 2 weeks back and I found that link and read through the whole thing. it was a complete eye opener and something I think everyone who wants to debate the marijuana legal issue should read.
it also shut up every single person who was saying how bad it is
fucking hippies.
Smoke your little smoke and drink your little drink while I dance the night away.
Smoke your little smoke and drink your little drink while I dance the night away.
Really, who gives a fuck?
If you get caught with under an ounce chances are you won't even pay a fine. The police are generally tired of fucking with the petty laws. Now if you're one of those clowns smuggling in pounds of the shit then yeah, but for end-users, meh I can think of a single instance where someone I knew got even a fine after being caught with less than an ounce on them, much less jail.
Edited, Aug 12th 2008 6:26pm by NaughtyWord
If you get caught with under an ounce chances are you won't even pay a fine. The police are generally tired of fucking with the petty laws. Now if you're one of those clowns smuggling in pounds of the shit then yeah, but for end-users, meh I can think of a single instance where someone I knew got even a fine after being caught with less than an ounce on them, much less jail.
Edited, Aug 12th 2008 6:26pm by NaughtyWord
I can think of a single instance where someone I knew got even a fine after being caught with less than an ounce on them, much less jail.
Well that tears it then, drug policy in the US is just dandy.
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We had this discussion on another forum about 2 weeks back and I found that link and read through the whole thing. it was a complete eye opener and something I think everyone who wants to debate the marijuana legal issue should read.
it also shut up every single person who was saying how bad it is
Wow. I must have missed that thread. That link is hardly convincing, and is actually far more fanatical about its position then the real truth merits.
The biggest flaw with that site is that it treats hemp and marijuana as though they are the same plant. They aren't. They're part of the same family, but do not share the same narcotic effects. You can never get high smoking hemp. It's absolutely incorrect to say that marijuana was around and used to make all the things hemp was used for. Hemp and marijuana are *not* the same thing. While there was certainly a significant racist motivation going on behind the scenes, it was true that marijuana was essentially imported from Mexico during the time period in question, not something that grew naturally all around the country and was farmed normally. It was correct for those early lawmakers to make a distinction between hemp and marijuana.
The problem was that other interests realized that if they blurred the difference, then they could use the perceived negative effects of marijuana as a way to outlaw hemp as well. The site you linked makes some valid points, but it kinda jumbles everything together. It's just as wrong to jumble facts about hemp and marijuana around when attempting to illegalize it as it is to do the same when condemning those who illegalized it (or presumably attempt to legalize it).
This muddling occurs on both sides of the argument. There are some serious reasons to legalize hemp, but most people arguing to legalize hemp don't really care about hemp. They want marijuana legalized and figure that's a way to get that. They're basically doing exactly what was done to illegalize it, just in reverse. Their position is just as false IMO.
I'm just of the opinion that if you want to argue for legalizing marijuana, then make that argument. Conflating marijuana and hemp is the wrong way to do it.
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Exactly. Two different issues, two different arguments.
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Wow. I must have missed that thread.
No, you missed the part of the sentence that include the words "on another forum". You're really not very observant. Less so lately, which is really quite an accomplishment.
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I'm just of the opinion that if you want to argue for legalizing marijuana, then make that argument.
Ok.
Legalize marjuana! Its fun to smoke with friends, makes you happy, makes music sound great, food taste good, and it would help undermine the trade in illegal drugs.
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gbaji wrote:
There are some serious reasons to legalize hemp, but most people arguing to legalize hemp don't really care about hemp. They want marijuana legalized and figure that's a way to get that. They're basically doing exactly what was done to illegalize it, just in reverse. Their position is just as false IMO.
Futurama: A Head in the Polls wrote:
"Dudes For The Legalation Of Of Hemp"
Amy: So, is it true you can make all kinds of shirts and ropes out of hemp?
Stoned Guy: Dave's not here, man.
Amy: I also heard hemp makes great shampoo.
Stoned Guy: It does? No way! I gotta check out this brochure!
Amy: So, is it true you can make all kinds of shirts and ropes out of hemp?
Stoned Guy: Dave's not here, man.
Amy: I also heard hemp makes great shampoo.
Stoned Guy: It does? No way! I gotta check out this brochure!
Edited, Aug 12th 2008 10:45pm by TirithRR
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paulsol wrote:
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I'm just of the opinion that if you want to argue for legalizing marijuana, then make that argument.
Ok.
Legalize marjuana! Its fun to smoke with friends, makes you happy, makes music sound great, food taste good, and it would help undermine the trade in illegal drugs.
Yeah, there's really no downside to legalizing it, unless it somehow sets a precedent for getting things like heroin legalized (which I don't think would happen anyway).
I mean..the government gets a new source of revenue, cops have one less thing to worry about, some jails become less crowded, and people get to smoke their weed.
Like I said, the only downside would be for the weed smoker since the price would go way up. But then again, you could get it anytime, wouldn't have to deal with people not having any, or having to get it from shady people, and not worry about getting busted.
What would be the downside to legalizing it anyway? "It would send the wrong message to kids" is invalid since I see a Budweiser commercial like every 2 minutes on TV.
Yeah, there's really no downside to legalizing it
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Less productive proletariat.
Or more productive...
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