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#1 Aug 03 2008 at 8:37 PM Rating: Good
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9 climbers feared dead after avalanche on K-2

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - At least nine climbers were feared dead on K-2, the world's second highest mountain, after an avalanche cut ropes used to cross a treacherous wall of ice, officials and other climbers said Sunday.
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Several other mountaineers were missing, prompting a desperate rescue effort on the peak in northern Pakistan, which is regarded as more dangerous to climb than Mount Everest.

A total of 22 people, mostly foreigners, in eight different groups scaled K-2's summit on Friday, said Nazir Sabir of the Alpine Club of Pakistan.

As they made their way down, an avalanche carried away ropes fixed 1,148 feet below the peak, sweeping some climbers to their deaths and stranding others at a height where they would likely succumb to exposure, Sabir said.

Accounts varied on the number of dead and how they died.

Sabir said nine people died in the avalanche. Included in that number, were two rescuers — a Nepalese sherpa and a Pakistani porter — who survivors said fell to their death.

He said two other climbers — a Pakistani and a Serbian on an expedition he helped organize — fell to their deaths Friday on the way up.

Mohammed Akram, vice president of the Adventure Foundation of Pakistan, a nonprofit organization, said six climbers died in the avalanche with another three killed in other accidents Friday.

He said several others, including local porters, were missing.

Akram said one rescue team dispatched Sunday had reached a Dutchman and an Italian suffering from frostbite and were helping them down toward a camp at an altitude of 21,325 feet.

He said helicopter crews spotted survivors, but could not pluck them to safety because the air is too thin for them to operate so high.

The fixed rope lines were strung across a point on the mountain known as "The Bottleneck." Chris Warner, an American who climbed K-2 last year, said it was the deadliest place on the mountain, the fall from there down the south face is some 9,000 feet.

"You can see how for people who were exhausted, it would have been nearly impossible for them to descend without the ropes," said Warner.

He said hope was fading for anyone still alive and separated from their group. "Once their hands and feet are frozen, they really are unable to move on their own power, and it takes other people to carry them down," he said.

At 28,250 feet, K-2 stands about 785 feet below Mount Everest, but is a "phenomenally dangerous mountain," said Alan Arnett, who climbed a nearby peak with at least one of the missing climbers.

Compared with Everest, "it's more technical, it's steeper, the weather is more intense," he said.

The toll from the avalanche was the highest from a single incident on K-2 since at least 1995, when seven climbers died after being caught in a fierce storm.

About 280 people have summited K-2 since 1954, when it was first conquered by Italians Achille Compagnoni and Lino Lacedell. Dozens of deaths have been recorded since 1939, most of them occurring during the descent.

The remote valleys of Northern Pakistan are home to five of the world's 14 tallest peaks.

An Italian died last month after falling into a crevasse while trying to pioneer a treacherous route up Nanga Parbat, one of the others. His two companions were rescued by helicopter after they managed to descend part of the way.


They say several others are missing, so the toll could be even higher. I believe 13 died on K-2 in the summer of 1986. It seems like sheer madness to me to risk so much to conquer a frozen rock in the Himalayas. I suspect it is almost like a drug addiction, they get addicted to the exhilaration they get from risking death conquering a tough climb. I do hope they can rescue some of the missing, and then maybe get them addicted to something less destructive, like heroin.
#2 Aug 03 2008 at 9:29 PM Rating: Good
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I feel no sympathy for them, however their stories do frequently turn into fascinating nonfiction novels (see: The Climb Up to Hell).



#3 Aug 03 2008 at 10:05 PM Rating: Good
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It seems like sheer madness to me to risk so much to conquer a frozen rock in the Himalayas. I suspect it is almost like a drug addiction, they get addicted to the exhilaration they get from risking death conquering a tough climb. I do hope they can rescue some of the missing, and then maybe get them addicted to something less destructive, like heroin.


Its the human pursuit of excellence and personal triumph. Something that most of us these days are dismissive of in others whilst we live our safe and cossetted lives.

And unfortunately, whilst in pursuit of that ever more elusive (and villified) state called 'living', things tend to get more dangerous. In the same way that if I died while surfing, I and they wouldn't want your sympathy, Tricky, its something they do for themselves.

Just settle back in your bean-bag, where the most exciting thing is a new 'reality' show on the telly, and be proud of the fact that at least you still (nominally) belong to the same species as men and women who are willing to test the limits of human endevour and performance.

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#4 Aug 03 2008 at 10:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just settle back in your bean-bag, where the most exciting thing is a new 'reality' show on the telly, and be proud of the fact that at least you still (nominally) belong to the same species as men and women who are willing to test the limits of human endevour and performance.
On the plus side, Tricky's not freezing his ******* off as he waits to die on the side of some God forsaken rock. Survival of the fittest, baby.
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#5 Aug 03 2008 at 10:14 PM Rating: Good
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On the plus side, Tricky's not freezing his ******* off as he waits to die on the side of some God forsaken rock. Survival of the fittest, baby.


And God said, "The lardacious will inherit the earth".

Pass the Twinkies.
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#6 Aug 03 2008 at 11:56 PM Rating: Good
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Meh, that's what the get for being up there in first place.
#7 Aug 04 2008 at 2:25 AM Rating: Good
I guess the upside is they died doing something that they loved. I mean, they'd have to love it since the spent thousands on gear, tens of thousands on the guided tour and transportation, and more tens of thousands on other climbs (People tend not to start mountain climbing w/K-2).

But honestly, if man was meant to climb K-2 he'd be able to climb up safely without the aid of things like bottled 02.

This is akin to dying while skydiving. I don't care how "safe" you think it is, it's dangerous even under the best conditions. Roll the dice enough times and you're bound to get snake eyes eventually.



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#8 Aug 04 2008 at 2:57 AM Rating: Good
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I don't care how "safe" you think it is


I dont think that people are doing it 'cos its safe. The whole point is, that the closer you get to death, whilst still being in control is the closest you get to being alive.

Having said that, they died.

If you want safe, try bungee jumping, or any of the other so-called extreme sports out there. most of them are nothing more than fairground rides with goatees, loud music and fast editing.

And skydiving isn't dangerous. you are more likely to get killed while driving to the airport than you are due to hitting the ground at terminal velocity.

Climbing Himalayan peaks (esp K2) on the other hand, IS very hard and very dangerous. Thats why people do it

And long may they continue!






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I dont think that people are doing it 'cos its safe. The whole point is, that the closer you get to death, whilst still being in control is the closest you get to being alive.
Nah, the closest you get to being alive is being able to wake up in the morning and kiss your family and start your day.

If they wanted to risk their lives climbing some rock, power to 'em. This "only they know what it's like to be alive!!" bullshit is just that.
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It's been confirmed now that 12 climbers are dead, some more missing. The Pakistani Army is trying to rescue an injured italian climber by helicopter.

I grew up in the mountains and I love climbing/mountaineering, but I can't understand why people are risking their life - neither for climbing, nor for any other leisure activity.
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paulsol wrote:
Just settle back in your bean-bag, where the most exciting thing is a new 'reality' show on the telly, and be proud of the fact that at least you still (nominally) belong to the same species as men and women who are willing to test the limits of human endevour and performance.

Well if their species is one that values physical thrillseeking over intellectual and emotional development, I guess I'm not the same species as them. I'm a more highly evolved form.


And to put to put yourself in the same category as them because you surf is laughable.


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And unfortunately, whilst in pursuit of that ever more elusive (and villified) state called 'living', things tend to get more dangerous.

This makes no sense whatsoever.


#14 Aug 04 2008 at 5:14 AM Rating: Decent
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I can certainly see why people do it. I've been lured up some pretty big mountains myself. And, while it's hard to contemplate ones death and realize just how far or close you're treading from it, these people knew, and most likely even signed waivers, to attest to the fact that it was a very real possibility.

The whole event will make for good story-telling.
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#15 Aug 04 2008 at 5:19 AM Rating: Good
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I grew up in the mountains and I love climbing/mountaineering, but I can't understand why people are risking their life - neither for climbing, nor for any other leisure activity.


Uh huh.


If they wanted to risk their lives climbing some rock, power to 'em. This "only they know what it's like to be alive!!" ******** is just that.


Right.

The best part of life is living a consistent, risk free, mediocre existence. That's the best way to spend your one shot at experiencing the range of human emotion.

I realize people fall sort of generally into personality types, but come on, move past your personal tunnel vision of "No, no, the mild is pleasantly spicy, the hot would just be too much!!!" and TRY to understand why other people are driven to experience the extreme end of the range of the human experience.

The sheep doesn't understand why the wolf goes through all that trouble to get food when there's perfectly good grass right here. We get it.
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Ever caught a 10 foot wave


Hahahaha, 10 foot. What a pussy. Where did you catch that monster, Dollywood?


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The sheep doesn't understand why the wolf goes through all that trouble to get food when there's perfectly good grass right here. We get it.


Well, silly wolves. There's no food on top of K-2.

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TRY to understand why other people are driven to experience the extreme end of the range of the human experience.
I get why they do it. I don't buy the "Only they are truely alive!" mantra.
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Do you even know how big a 10ft wave is? You'd p*ss yourself just getting into the line up.


Yeah, I've surfed Half Moon Bay. A ten foot wave is when the kids run in with boogie boards.

Ten foot wave, hahahahahahahahahaha, pathetic.

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I realize people fall sort of generally into personality types, but come on, move past your personal tunnel vision of "No, no, the mild is pleasantly spicy, the hot would just be too much!!!" and TRY to understand why other people are driven to experience the extreme end of the range of the human experience.
It's not about avoiding danger, it's about the "amount" of it. There are other ways to test one's borders, ways that don't include the possibility of death.
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I get why they do it. I don't buy the "Only they are truely alive!" mantra.


Yeah, I know, anytime there's any post about anything other than your Ozzie and Harriet existence being something worthwhile you chime in about how it's not. Have you considered that just *perhaps* this is a function of the lifestyle you live being largely your only option, and your desire to make all other options seem pointless?

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It's not about avoiding danger, it's about the "amount" of it. There are other ways to test one's borders, ways that don't include the possibility of death.


Wrong. Do you see why?
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It's not about avoiding danger, it's about the "amount" of it. There are other ways to test one's borders, ways that don't include the possibility of death.
No, everything includes the possibility of death, and any 'physical' test of 'borders' is just that "physical", so by the very definition raises your chance of death or injury.

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Just to put the K-2 risk in perspective, 280 have successfully climbed K-2, while 87 have died trying. That about a 25% chance of death. Even if you add in the number of people who failed to make it to the top, which number I could not find, I suspect the risk of death would still be near 10% per attempt and many of those people who climbed made multiple attempts. The risk of death is far, far greater than skydiving, surfing ect.

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