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LOL...well you better hope they're not thinking about the success in Iraq. What else do the Dems have?
The economy, stupid. Nothing else matters this year. If, suddenly, enough jobs are created to make the last 8 years not the greatest loss of jobs in the history of the US, McCain will have a chance.
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knoxsouthy wrote:
What else do the Dems have?
"Now I'm going to mention a few issues and for each one, please tell me if you think Barack
Obama or John McCain would better handle that issue if they were elected president...."
McCain Obama Neither (vol.) Unsure
% % % %
"The economy"
7/27-29/08 43 54 4 -
"Regardless of who you support, which one of the presidential candidates -- John McCain or
Barack Obama -- do you think would do the best job of [see below]?"
McCain Obama Neither (vol.) Unsure
% % % %
"Improving economic conditions"
7/23-27/08 32 47 7 14 Edited, Aug 4th 2008 3:58pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
The economy.
The hivemind must be nearer to Boston than Chitonwa
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and yet most people agree we should be drilling more.
Great. So does Obama.
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You enjoy making up this sh*t as you go?
It's a fact, Jack. Look it up.
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Jophiel wrote:
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So before Obama changes his mind on the issue, the whole thing is some desperate lifeline the Republicans are grasping in some vain hope of winning some support. But once Obama change his position it's suddenly a "smart move" and an issue important enough that he might lose the election over it...
No. I was trying to point out the difference between those who follow Obama because they really buy his BS (the "true believers"), and those who know he's lying about virtually everything he says but are ok with that because the end justifies the means to them.
Some of you still seem to be holding out the belief that Obama's really a different kind of politician. I'm just wondering how long it'll take you to figure it out? If you're voting for Obama for any reason other then "He'll enable the real power people in the Dem party to do whatever they want" then you're still walking through the political world with blinders on. He's the biggest empty suit we've likely ever seen in our lifetimes (or likely ever will)...
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Smasharoo wrote:
and yet most people agree we should be drilling more.
Great. So does Obama.
Yet he still parrots the "We can't drill out way out of this" statement. Does he really think that this will make both positions on the issue think he's their guy?
When you try to please all the people, you usually just end up pissing off all the people. Obama is rapidly wearing that "but I'm both for and against it!" position out. Folks are starting to see through it.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
Yet he still parrots the "We can't drill out way out of this" statement.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Some of you still seem to be holding out the belief that Obama's really a different kind of politician.
I'm not sure what this means. Charismatic and exceptional at inspiring people, sure. Some sort of shining, mystical ideal to represent my interests, of course not. No one's ever seriously believed this. I leave the wild eyed, true believer sucker mantle to you, ace.
Yet he still parrots the "We can't drill out way out of this" statement. Does he really think that this will make both positions on the issue think he's their guy?
It's not two positions. You can't be that stupid. "I'm not against drilling, but it's not a long term solution" is McCain's position as well. Where's the confusion? There isn't anyone who can say with a straight face that drilling everywhere possible is going to provide sufficient Oil for the price to remain the same in 30 years.
When you try to please all the people, you usually just end up pissing off all the people. Obama is rapidly wearing that "but I'm both for and against it!" position out. Folks are starting to see through it.
/yawn. Wrong year for the flip flopping argument when you put forth a guy who's running on his reputation for being an independent thinker who's changed every one of his positions in the last year to match what the Right wants.
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Smasharoo wrote:
It's not two positions. You can't be that stupid. "I'm not against drilling, but it's not a long term solution" is McCain's position as well. Where's the confusion?
The confusion is that he called McCain to task for taking that position, just a few weeks ago:
Barack Obama wrote:
John McCain's support of the moratorium on offshore drilling during his first presidential campaign was certainly laudable, but his decision to completely change his position and tell a group of Houston oil executives exactly what they wanted to hear today was the same Washington politics that has prevented us from achieving energy independence for decades.
"Much like his gas tax gimmick that would leave consumers with pennies in savings, opening our coastlines to offshore drilling would take at least a decade to produce any oil at all, and the effect on gasoline prices would be negligible at best since America only has 3% of the world's oil. It's another example of short-term political posturing from Washington, not the long-term leadership we need to solve our dependence on oil.
"Instead of giving oil executives another way to boost their record profits, I believe we should put in place a windfall profits tax that will help to ease the burden of higher energy costs on working families, and we should invest in the affordable, renewable sources of energy that Senator McCain has opposed in the past
"Much like his gas tax gimmick that would leave consumers with pennies in savings, opening our coastlines to offshore drilling would take at least a decade to produce any oil at all, and the effect on gasoline prices would be negligible at best since America only has 3% of the world's oil. It's another example of short-term political posturing from Washington, not the long-term leadership we need to solve our dependence on oil.
"Instead of giving oil executives another way to boost their record profits, I believe we should put in place a windfall profits tax that will help to ease the burden of higher energy costs on working families, and we should invest in the affordable, renewable sources of energy that Senator McCain has opposed in the past
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There isn't anyone who can say with a straight face that drilling everywhere possible is going to provide sufficient Oil for the price to remain the same in 30 years.
You're correct. But there are a whole lot of people who do insist that we shouldn't drill *anywhere* no matter how high oil prices get. Obama used to be one of those people (or certainly gave the impression that he was).
McCain's position has always been about cost versus benefit. Obama's has been about winning the support of the environmentalists by appearing to take their "side" on the issue. Right up until he realized just how unpopular that position became when gas hit $4/gallon.
Get the difference yet?
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
So Obama changed his stance on the off-shore drilling as compromise legislation to pass other energy/conservation goals he wants. And he still thinks there should be a windfall tax. *Shrug*Hardly a ringing endorsement as opposed to McCain's statements when he switched that we had to start drilling to save families form high gas prices:
Call me crazy but I'm less offended by the guy saying "This isn't really the answer but I'll give it to 'em if it helps pass the good stuff" than the one feeding me a line of shit about lowering gas prices via drilling (which he later admitted would be "psychological").
Edited, Aug 4th 2008 8:35pm by Jophiel
Obama wrote:
"If, in order to get that passed, we have to compromise in terms of a careful, well thought-out drilling strategy that was carefully circumscribed to avoid significant environmental damage - I don't want to be so rigid that we can't get something done," the paper quoted Obama as saying.
McCain wrote:
"The stakes are high for our citizens and for our economy, and with gasoline running at more than four bucks a gallon, many do not have the luxury of waiting on the far-off plans of futurists and politicians"
[...]
"We have proven oil reserves of at least 21 billion barrels in the United States. But a broad federal moratorium stands in the way of energy exploration and production. And I believe it is time for the federal government to lift these restrictions and to put our own reserves to use."
[...]
"We have proven oil reserves of at least 21 billion barrels in the United States. But a broad federal moratorium stands in the way of energy exploration and production. And I believe it is time for the federal government to lift these restrictions and to put our own reserves to use."
Call me crazy but I'm less offended by the guy saying "This isn't really the answer but I'll give it to 'em if it helps pass the good stuff" than the one feeding me a line of shit about lowering gas prices via drilling (which he later admitted would be "psychological").
Edited, Aug 4th 2008 8:35pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Well. You don't get it both ways Joph.
He's either come around on drilling, or he hasn't. What's funny is that I started out arguing that he's trying to play a middle ground position on this in which he gives statements designed to appease both sides without really picking a side, and that this would bite him.
This issue is so contentious (which should be obvious from the responses from Pelosi and Reid), that I don't think you can play that middle ground very well. Doubly so as a Democrat. No one on the Right will buy that he's going to support a significant increase in domestic oil production, not with such a tepid statement. And no one on the Left can be quite certain that he wont allow *some* increase.
He's basically picking what I believe will be the worst position of all. He'll allow just enough drilling to **** off the hard core environmentalists on the Left, but not enough to actually generate the kinds of economic benefits the folks on the Right want. That's why I said that by trying to please all sides, he's ultimately just going to **** everyone off.
He's either come around on drilling, or he hasn't. What's funny is that I started out arguing that he's trying to play a middle ground position on this in which he gives statements designed to appease both sides without really picking a side, and that this would bite him.
This issue is so contentious (which should be obvious from the responses from Pelosi and Reid), that I don't think you can play that middle ground very well. Doubly so as a Democrat. No one on the Right will buy that he's going to support a significant increase in domestic oil production, not with such a tepid statement. And no one on the Left can be quite certain that he wont allow *some* increase.
He's basically picking what I believe will be the worst position of all. He'll allow just enough drilling to **** off the hard core environmentalists on the Left, but not enough to actually generate the kinds of economic benefits the folks on the Right want. That's why I said that by trying to please all sides, he's ultimately just going to **** everyone off.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
You're correct. But there are a whole lot of people who do insist that we shouldn't drill *anywhere* no matter how high oil prices get.
In your imagination along with Democrats who want the economy to collapse, to ban religion, and force children to have gay sex.
Obama used to be one of those people (or certainly gave the impression that he was).
The list of "impressions" you have that are abjectly incorrect if printed in 4 pt font and stretched end to end would reach Jupiter.
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gbaji wrote:
Well. You don't get it both ways Joph.
C'mon... Obama could be using his Holy Messiah Powers to turn water into oil and you'd be ******** that it's the "worst possible choice" or some such shit.
People who are all excited about conservation aren't going to choose McCain as their guy. People who want drilling may think "Well, Obama says he'll allow it and I agree with him on enough other stuff that I'll vote for him."
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He'll allow just enough drilling to **** off the hard core environmentalists on the Left, but not enough to actually generate the kinds of economic benefits the folks on the Right want.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Of course, he's not after either with this stance.
What could he possibly be up to targeting rhetoric at undecided swing voters this way, defusing a potential wedge issue that he largely doesn't care about in the process? Madness.
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Didn't people formerly accuse his claims of compromise and magnanimous bipartisanship to be false based on his strictly liberal voting record?
Just checkin'
trickybeck wrote:
Didn't people formerly accuse his claims of compromise and magnanimous bipartisanship to be false based on his strictly liberal voting record?
No True Scotsman and all that...
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Of course it was going to happen. OPEC doesn't want a global depression any more than we do.
Candidates' posturing on whether or not to drill domestically had minimal effect, though I'm sure your pundit sources will disagree.
Candidates' posturing on whether or not to drill domestically had minimal effect, though I'm sure your pundit sources will disagree.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
knoxsouthy wrote:
Meanwhile the price of oil falls to 118$
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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