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#1 Jul 31 2008 at 7:29 PM Rating: Good
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http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=5451107&page=1 wrote:
I happen to be privileged enough to be in on the fact that we have been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomenon is real," Mitchell said on Britain's Kerrang Radio last week.

"It has been covered up by governments for quite some time now," added Mitchell, who grew up in Roswell, N.M., the location of the controversial 1947 incident in which some believe the U.S. military covered up the crash scene of an alien spacecraft.


Roswell native who walked on the Moon claims to know for certain that aliens have been contacted and UFOs are real.
Well DUH! :11 (23.9%)
I know. I am an alien:10 (21.7%)
Aliens schmaliens. Who the hell cares? :5 (10.9%)
Smiley: tinfoilhat:20 (43.5%)
Total:46
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#2 Jul 31 2008 at 8:00 PM Rating: Good
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I just like the tin hat smiley, so had to give it my vote.

I'm still waiting for someone to give me a ride off this backwoods planet.Smiley: wink
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#3 Jul 31 2008 at 8:06 PM Rating: Decent
Visitation by actual macroscopic living organisms is quite unlikely. Visitation by a probe is unlikely. Reception of a signal from such a civilization, by contrast, is a mystery as to why we aren't flooded with them.

Distances are vast and energies required to reach high speeds and high time dilation are immense. There could be new (to us) physical laws, which is why I would put it at best at quite unlikely.
#4 Aug 01 2008 at 2:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Visitation by actual macroscopic living organisms is quite unlikely. Visitation by a probe is unlikely.


But the universe is infinite so it doesn't matter how unlikely it is, say 1/9^(9^(9^(9^(9^(9))))), because that fraction would be multiplied by infinity, so statistically it has to happen.
#5 Aug 01 2008 at 4:09 AM Rating: Good
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Youshutup wrote:
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Visitation by actual macroscopic living organisms is quite unlikely. Visitation by a probe is unlikely.


But the universe is infinite so it doesn't matter how unlikely it is, say 1/9^(9^(9^(9^(9^(9))))), because that fraction would be multiplied by infinity, so statistically it has to happen.

Not if you believe Bing Bang theory and in the presently expanding universe. It's Bloodymuthurfuntingly HUGE. But not infinite. If it keeps expanding, I suppose it could sort of keep going forever, but given the eventual Heat "Death" Of The Universe, it's going to be a very uninteresting place at that point.
#6 Aug 01 2008 at 4:31 AM Rating: Decent
Why should universe expansion matter to us as finite beings on a simple planet in a grand universe? It shouldn't. It's like people talking about how the sun will eventually disappear due to natural forces. Does it really matter? It won't to most of us. We haven't even explored Mars in person, let alone the edges of the universe. The universe may expand, but we will expire, and anybody like us will expire multiple times over before any of these things matter. Even a visit to Mars will probably only be a present to future generations, and that's close compared to the vastness of the universe.

If you want to go supernatural, well, that truth will be found out, and it won't be in this consciousness we call reality, if it exists at all (which is doubtful).
#7 Aug 01 2008 at 4:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned
A sun that is the source of all our power
The sun, and you and me, and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour
Of the galaxy we call the Milky Way

Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars
It's a hundred thousand light-years side to side
It bulges in the middle sixteen thousand light-years thick
But out by us it's just three thousand light-years wide
We're thirty thousand light-years from Galactic Central Point
We go 'round every two hundred million years
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe

The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whiz
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know
Twelve million miles a minute and that's the fastest speed thereis
So remember when you're feeling very small and insecure
How amazingly unlikely is your birth
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth

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#8 Aug 01 2008 at 5:03 AM Rating: Decent
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..and to reiterate Nexa's point; The Universcale (fun little program from Nikon)


edit: fixed link

Edited, Aug 1st 2008 3:02pm by Elinda
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#9 Aug 01 2008 at 8:14 AM Rating: Decent
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If the universe isn't infinite, what's outside exactly?
#10 Aug 01 2008 at 9:22 AM Rating: Decent
Youshutup wrote:
If the universe isn't infinite, what's outside exactly?


Nothing: it wraps around. Like the surface of a balloon. Although there is the possibility that we're the interior of some other universe's black hole, and that the interior of our black holes are there own little universes.

Arip wrote:
It's Bloodymuthurfuntingly HUGE. But not infinite. If it keeps expanding, I suppose it could sort of keep going forever, but given the eventual Heat "Death" Of The Universe, it's going to be a very uninteresting place at that point.


But only part of the universe is observable, meaning we could send and receive signals from it.

Also, there could be a big crunch or a heat death to the universe depending on mass density. Right now, best evidence is for a heat death, but there is a whole lot (most of it) of mass (dark energy) the origin of which is very poorly understood.
#11 Aug 01 2008 at 9:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Fun fact (well, accepted theory I guess since there's no way to got out and prove it). It doesn't matter how big/small the universe is, because it's expanding at the speed of light, which happens to be the universal speed limit of everything. It is quite impossible to reach the end of the universe.

Frankly I don't think there is an end. I think universes will turn out to be more like galaxies and there are actually many of them with empty space in between.

Edited, Aug 1st 2008 1:41pm by Yodabunny
#12 Aug 01 2008 at 10:07 AM Rating: Decent
Yodabunny wrote:
Fun fact (well, accepted theory I guess since there's no way to got out and prove it). It doesn't matter how big/small the universe is, because it's expanding at the speed of light, which happens to be the universal speed limit of everything. It is quite impossible to reach the end of the universe.

Frankly I don't think there is an end. I think universes will turn out to be more like galaxies and there are actually many of them with empty space in between.

Edited, Aug 1st 2008 1:41pm by Yodabunny


It really wouldn't be accepted if there is no way to test it.

Nothing gets proved in science. That is math. All you get is more and more accepted theories eventually called laws.

People actually look for light delayed copies of the universe because the theory is that the universe wraps around. There are ways of gathering evidence for and against the current model. There is (was?) a whole group of folks who prefer continuous creation over the big bang. My recollection is they make a big deal of the ratio of lithium to hydrogen since the big bang gets it (got it?) wrong. Big bang does get the ratio of hydrogen to helium correct and that's most of the mass of the universe so...
#13 Aug 01 2008 at 12:14 PM Rating: Good
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Glad he chose such an erudite broadcaster to announce this - I mean, why publish an article in 'Nature' when you can tell it to a tongue-in-cheek Heavy Metal radio station in Britainland that literally hundreds of listeners. Smiley: thumbsup

Edited, Aug 1st 2008 4:13pm by Nobby
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#14 Aug 01 2008 at 3:11 PM Rating: Good
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Infinity simply means that their math broke.

Based on that they can either assume that something is LITERALLY infinite.... or whether their calculations are WRONG. Based on the math there are infinities WITHIN finite things.
Does this make any sense?

As far as the size of the universe goes.. I think what matters more is what is going on in these other space/time dimensions that are effecting us (other than the traditional 4)[stong force, weak force, electromagnetic, and gravity].
And all that we perceive in our universe of space is.. well Space! and all that we see in our universe of of time is our past and present and predictable future. Those are just slices of the pie.

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