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#27 Jul 28 2008 at 4:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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The onyl negative effect i've noticed from a very high reading speed is that there is a correspondingly sharp decrease in spelling ability, because people who read fast have a tendancy to look at whole sentances at a time rather than individual words, and the brain kind of skips the spelling part if the word looks somewhat correct and in context.
Speed reading isn't about sentences or 'sentances', it's about key words


More accuratly, I should have said Lines of text, or even blocks of text.
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#28 Jul 28 2008 at 7:25 PM Rating: Good
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Nobby wrote:
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The onyl negative effect i've noticed from a very high reading speed is that there is a correspondingly sharp decrease in spelling ability, because people who read fast have a tendancy to look at whole sentances at a time rather than individual words, and the brain kind of skips the spelling part if the word looks somewhat correct and in context.
Speed reading isn't about sentences or 'sentances', it's about key words


More accuratly, I should have said Lines of text, or even blocks of text.

OMG. I finally have something to feel good about my completely lousy spelling and the occasional hilarious (to others) pronunciation. "It's not that I'm bad at English! It's that I'm a Speed Reader!"

My most famous mispronunciations:

Mage, pronouned Madge... rhymes with vag.

Chasm, pronounced.. well.. chasm. With a soft ch instead of a k.

Confiscated. pronounced - in front of 800 girls at school assembly - Con.fis.ti.cate.ed. About 50 people came up to me separately after school assembly to give me a quiet private correction. Smiley: bah Yeah, the half muffled giggling of 800 adolescent girls and 40 staff clued me on to the fact I got that one wrong. Smiley: glare
#29 Jul 28 2008 at 10:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Nexa, a little of this through my news reading and any online reading during my week vacation will be a life saver for my upcoming lit class. A million thanks.
#30 Jul 28 2008 at 11:12 PM Rating: Decent
This is great Nexa! Thanks. My husband has been looking for a program to teach him to speed read and unfortunately I couldn't for the life of him explain how I do it. The only description I had was that when I read a novel it's like watching a movie to me, I tune out the text and actually end up seeing the novel played out in my head.
#32 Jul 28 2008 at 11:51 PM Rating: Good
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This is great Nexa! Thanks. My husband has been looking for a program to teach him to speed read and unfortunately I couldn't for the life of him explain how I do it. The only description I had was that when I read a novel it's like watching a movie to me, I tune out the text and actually end up seeing the novel played out in my head.

Yes!


The earliest books I remember this way were The Lord of the Rings. I could describe the entire story of TLOTR to my mother at 9 and she was blown away (Fond mothers and their strange adoration of their children, thinking they are unique in some way.) I told Mum it didn't really count, I DIDN'T have the entire TLOTR books memorised. I just had my own movie of it constructed in my head, and I could describe what what happened in the movie.

It's kind of a nice memory actually. It took a few sessions while she was making dinner on consecutive days, and I told her the story while we were chopping vegetables together, and she cooked. She still owns the same nice knives, but the old huge, wavy wooden chopping block has been retired.


Now that I think about it, that's probably one of the things that really irritates me when main protagonists aren't described... especially if their eye and hair colour aren't described. Because my movie has to run with a faceless, headless actor. I can just make it up, but I also find it annoying if it's described later, and I've gotten it "wrong", and I have to reconstruct the main actor all over again. It really puts a huge kink in my rhythm, as I try to get the visualisation going again, without it wavering back and forth between "old, wrong hero/ine", and "new, correct hero/ine".
#33 Jul 29 2008 at 12:15 AM Rating: Decent
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The One and Only Katie wrote:
This is great Nexa! Thanks. My husband has been looking for a program to teach him to speed read and unfortunately I couldn't for the life of him explain how I do it. The only description I had was that when I read a novel it's like watching a movie to me, I tune out the text and actually end up seeing the novel played out in my head.

Yes!


The earliest books I remember this way were The Lord of the Rings. I could describe the entire story of TLOTR to my mother at 9 and she was blown away (Fond mothers and their strange adoration of their children, thinking they are unique in some way.) I told Mum it didn't really count, I DIDN'T have the entire TLOTR books memorised. I just had my own movie of it constructed in my head, and I could describe what what happened in the movie.

It's kind of a nice memory actually. It took a few sessions while she was making dinner on consecutive days, and I told her the story while we were chopping vegetables together, and she cooked. She still owns the same nice knives, but the old huge, wavy wooden chopping block has been retired.


Now that I think about it, that's probably one of the things that really irritates me when main protagonists aren't described... especially if their eye and hair colour aren't described. Because my movie has to run with a faceless, headless actor. I can just make it up, but I also find it annoying if it's described later, and I've gotten it "wrong", and I have to reconstruct the main actor all over again. It really puts a huge kink in my rhythm, as I try to get the visualisation going again, without it wavering back and forth between "old, wrong hero/ine", and "new, correct hero/ine".


I hear ya. I can't stand a lack in descriptions about the main characters. I'm fairly good at filing it in then. It only annoys me when I've made a concrete image of the character in my head and then farther into the book they finally spill some better descriptions and it totally ***** with my image.
#34 Jul 29 2008 at 12:33 AM Rating: Decent
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I played around with spreeder for a bit and I was rather surprised at how much I could grasp with it flashing by at 500 words per minute. The only problem I had was missing words when I had to blink, but I still managed to grasp the meaning of the text I used.
#35 Jul 29 2008 at 12:37 AM Rating: Decent
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I hear ya. I can't stand a lack in descriptions about the main characters. I'm fairly good at filing it in then. It only annoys me when I've made a concrete image of the character in my head and then farther into the book they finally spill some better descriptions and it totally @#%^s with my image.
I find that the one that gets me is name pronounciation.

I always pronounced Qeynos: Qwey-nos and then when EQ2 came out it was pronounced Key-nos for example.
#36 Jul 29 2008 at 1:05 AM Rating: Decent
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I hear ya. I can't stand a lack in descriptions about the main characters. I'm fairly good at filing it in then. It only annoys me when I've made a concrete image of the character in my head and then farther into the book they finally spill some better descriptions and it totally @#%^s with my image.
I find that the one that gets me is name pronounciation.

I always pronounced Qeynos: Qwey-nos and then when EQ2 came out it was pronounced Key-nos for example.


I don't think it's all that irregular.

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#38 Jul 29 2008 at 3:47 AM Rating: Good
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I find it funny that all of a sudden, everyone is a speed reader! And always did so naturally with no training! And that poor typing, spelling, and pronunciation is just a result of blazing reading speed.

#39 Jul 29 2008 at 3:52 AM Rating: Good
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I find it funny that all of a sudden, everyone is a speed reader! And always did so naturally with no training! And that poor typing, spelling, and pronunciation is just a result of blazing reading speed.



I red that posst in 0.02 seconds, no relly.
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Edited, Jul 29th 2008 8:35am by Kelvyquayo
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#41 Jul 29 2008 at 4:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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trickybeck wrote:

I find it funny that all of a sudden, everyone is a speed reader! And always did so naturally with no training! And that poor typing, spelling, and pronunciation is just a result of blazing reading speed.



I would not be surprised to find that people with very large post counts on message boards read faster than the average bear. Whether or not the typos, spelling, etc is due to the speed reading or just another symptom of large quantities of internet discourse is another matter.

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#42 Jul 29 2008 at 4:58 AM Rating: Decent
Imagine a bunch of scifi geeks who participate in book club threads not being able to speed read!
#44 Jul 29 2008 at 8:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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The One and Only Katie wrote:
Imagine a bunch of scifi geeks who participate in book club threads not being able to speed read!


Imagine that.

I don't speed read, and when I read for pleasure I wouldn't if I could. I read novels for the prose as much as for the story.

Technical specs and what not, sure, I skim those but I'm not sure what I do counts as speed reading.

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#45 Jul 29 2008 at 8:15 AM Rating: Good
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I'll freely admit I probably read slowly in relation to my mental faculties. I know that I subvocalize. Sure, I can skim something quickly and get the gist of it, but I'd call that skimming, not speed reading.

But I also only read for personal enjoyment, and part of that - for me anyway - is poring over every line, making sure I don't miss a single word, and examining the language used itself, as well as the content.



Edit: see, I took so long reading and re-reading my post, I got beaten by Samira.



Edited, Jul 29th 2008 11:14am by trickybeck
#46 Jul 29 2008 at 8:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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Exactly. Speed reading fiction is like gorging at the dinner table.

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#47 Jul 29 2008 at 8:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Samira wrote:
Exactly. Speed reading fiction is like gorging at the dinner table.



I speed read bad fiction...like when they've sucked me in just enough to kinda care what happens to the characters and kinda want to know how it ends...but not enough to actually *read* the whole thing like I give a damn. Case in point, Robert Jordan or Terry Goodkind.

If I could speed read the rest of Lost, I'd ******* do it.

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#48 Jul 29 2008 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
I don't speed read, and when I read for pleasure I wouldn't if I could. I read novels for the prose as much as for the story.

Technical specs and what not, sure, I skim those but I'm not sure what I do counts as speed reading.



This.

Also, I don't think I have the capacity to speed read. I r dull.
#49 Jul 29 2008 at 8:44 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
Exactly. Speed reading fiction is like gorging at the dinner table.



It depends on how you read it, I guess. Some people read the words. I dont know why or how, but when I read fiction for pleasure, I end up seeing past the words, and visualize the scenes instead. If I read for 15 minutes or longer, the story becomes more of a movie than it does a book I'm holding. I no longer see the book, or the words at all. With that, I can't slow down, I'm unaware of really reading in the first place.

I've met one or two people who read like that, but everyone else has a hard time grasping that concept, and I have a hard time putting it into words that would effectively explain it. At least words I can pronounce correctly
#50 Jul 29 2008 at 8:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, sure, I get wrapped up in the story as well. That's not what the discussion is about, though.

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#51 Jul 29 2008 at 8:52 AM Rating: Good
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It is, in the idea that one can always slow down on speed reading the they desire to. The majority might be able to. But my point was, when you are reading to the point you dont see the words on the page before you, how do you slow down?
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