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#1 Jul 28 2008 at 10:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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For anyone interested in training themselves. I've tried to explain how to people before, but this is a really neat little program. http://www.spreeder.com/

Try pasting the following in it for an explanation (kill two birds with one stone, haha), then up the speed 50 or so words per minute each time you read it...:

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I occurred to me that people who look at spreeder and have never before really tried speed reading might not quite "get it" when they test it. "The text I pasted in flashes at me one word at a time. Interesting, but why? Is this just some sort of entertaining visual effect or something?" Fair question, and no.

When you read, you normally fall into what's called "subvocalization" which simply means you sound out and pronounce each word mentally. It's like your brain goes trough the process of preparing to verbalize every word of every sentence, but just doesn't send the signals to your vocal cords to *actually* pronounce the words. You don't even notice it really, but you will naturally read at pretty much the same speed you would speak.

Speed reading is simply disciplining yourself to NOT try to subvocalize each word. You brain is actually very capable of this once you get used to it. The problem is that on a written page, you have a second problem that you have to train your eyes to actually "scan" a word and then MOVE to the next one and (depending on the layout of the page, font size, etc.) that is also a challenge. (That's why people who speed read with physical paper books will often move their finger quickly back and forth across the page, or use an index card and drag it down the page to reveal lines at the rate the want to read, but help keep their eyes from wandering.

Anyway, obviously doing this with software where the program breaks the sentences down and flashes just one word at a time remove the entire "mechanical eye scanning" sort of issue. I've looked at a bunch of programs to do this for years, but spreeder is the first free one I've found.

Drop some text into it and run it. The only "problem" is that the default speed isn't really all that fast (which is probably why some people try it and "don't get it" since they can actually subvocalize that fast) so they aren't getting any benefit yet. The magic is in gradually bumping up the speed you are using and it will get you to the point where the part of your brain that subvocalizes starts "falling behind."

Now push it just a little faster and your brain will "give up" trying to subvocalize, but (probably much to your surprise) you will actually have very high comprehension of what you just read anyway. In fact, then as you push higher over time (and not that much time actually, your brain is VERY good at this once you get used to it) you'll find you have VERY high comprehension at speed that would have sounded absurd. I've honetly shocked myself at the word per mintue my brain can recognize when I'm not trying to pronounce them in my head at the same time.

Basically you are training your brain to directly connect visualized words to their known meaning without having to go through the "detour" of your brain's speech center. (Or something like that...)


Great for you college kids ;)

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#2 Jul 28 2008 at 10:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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Oh, and this may make some of gbaji's posts more tolerable.

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#3 Jul 28 2008 at 10:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Nexa wrote:
Oh, and this may make some of gbaji's posts more tolerable.

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So does skipping them.

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#4 Jul 28 2008 at 10:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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Oh, and this may make some of gbaji's posts more tolerable.

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So does skipping them.



Well yes, but we all have those days.

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#5 Jul 28 2008 at 10:29 AM Rating: Good
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Well yes, but we all have those days.


Personally, I have a language recognition algorithm I wrote that removes all duplicitous restating, and deletes anyhting that appears after "Huh, Come on, Folks, Heh," or "Obviously".

Prunes most pf his posts down to about 11 words.

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#6 Jul 28 2008 at 10:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh, and this may make some of gbaji's posts more tolerable.


The problem is not the length, it's the content.
#7 Jul 28 2008 at 10:35 AM Rating: Good
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The only problem I've found with speed reading is that if you do it too often/too fast your verbal skills suffer. It is, however, a great way to consume material.
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#8 Jul 28 2008 at 10:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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The only problem I've found with speed reading is that if you do it too often/too fast your verbal skills suffer. It is, however, a great way to consume material.


Hmm, I hadn't considered that many people who post here tend to speak to others verbally much.

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#9 Jul 28 2008 at 10:41 AM Rating: Good
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I speed read and the only effect I have noticed is that I tend to mesh words together or skip some words when I'm typing. Which completely bugs me at work.
#10 Jul 28 2008 at 11:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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One time, I injured my verbal articulation in a speed-reading accident.

(Hit a semi-colon head-on)
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Hmm, I hadn't considered that many people who post here tend to speak to others verbally much.

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Normally no. But then I started using ventrillo to talk with others on these boards.
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#12 Jul 28 2008 at 11:08 AM Rating: Good
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I speed read and the only effect I have noticed is that I tend to mesh words together or skip some words when I'm typing. Which completely bugs me at work.


I also do this a lot. Then I often found myself understanding the meaning of words I could never pronounce if ask to read out loud. sight reading is often used for dyslexics and I just happen to one of the lucky ones who learn to read while following along the missal at mass.

I also found that though I never learn how to speak French or Latin, I can generally follow what is written on a page but lost when it is spoken.

I got to point where I was reading through so many books quickly that I preferred novels that were over 600 pages. Longer the better 1000 pages are great as long as the author doesn't fill it with descriptions and side stories that do nothing to further the plot.
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#13 Jul 28 2008 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
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One time, I injured my verbal articulation in a speed-reading accident.

(Hit a semi-colon head-on)


Well at least you didn't mess up your car in this accident.
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#14 Jul 28 2008 at 11:18 AM Rating: Good
I speed read unconsciously when I'm deep in a work of fiction and lost in the author's words, but for works of nonfiction I go at a slower pace to ensure I don't miss any salient details.
#15 Jul 28 2008 at 11:23 AM Rating: Good
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I have to read a great deal for work, mostly draft documents for comment. Technical specifications & medical papers do require detailed study, but many are strategic or policy papers and I can whizz through those faster than most I know and still grasp the key messages.

I've never followed or studied any technique, but for documents where I don't have to analyse the syntax in detail, I can whizz through them like a whizzing thing, but it's taken me 30 years to develop the skill.
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#16 Jul 28 2008 at 11:30 AM Rating: Good
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I got to point where I was reading through so many books quickly that I preferred novels that were over 600 pages. Longer the better 1000 pages are great as long as the author doesn't fill it with descriptions and side stories that do nothing to further the plot.


I'm with ya on that. If the book is less than 500 pages, that's short for me. Ray laughs at me because he knows that if I get a trilogy that's bound into one volume, I'm reading that for a weekend and will be done by early Sunday afternoon.
#17 Jul 28 2008 at 11:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't pay any attention to the length of books...if it's short, my book list is somewhere in the area of 350ish at this point...I'll manage.

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The onyl negative effect i've noticed from a very high reading speed is that there is a correspondingly sharp decrease in spelling ability, because people who read fast have a tendancy to look at whole sentances at a time rather than individual words, and the brain kind of skips the spelling part if the word looks somewhat correct and in context.
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#19 Jul 28 2008 at 11:43 AM Rating: Good
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Then I often found myself understanding the meaning of words I could never pronounce if ask to read out loud.

I'm teased often about this. I know the meaning of more words than a lot of people I know, and have to explain the definition to them, but I often say a word I've only read but never heard aloud and the Mr teases me when I get one he knows completely wrong.

Reading is an expensive habit for me. Libraries are great except Im awful at remembering to bring them back. Bookstores, even with a membership, still cost a bit. I've got about 8 series that I have read and still waiting for the next installment.

I dont need to read faster. I need to learn how to read slower.
#20 Jul 28 2008 at 11:43 AM Rating: Good
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The onyl negative effect i've noticed from a very high reading speed is that there is a correspondingly sharp decrease in spelling ability, because people who read fast have a tendancy to look at whole sentances at a time rather than individual words, and the brain kind of skips the spelling part if the word looks somewhat correct and in context.
Speed reading isn't about sentences or 'sentances', it's about key words
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#21 Jul 28 2008 at 11:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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Then I often found myself understanding the meaning of words I could never pronounce if ask to read out loud.

I'm teased often about this. I know the meaning of more words than a lot of people I know, and have to explain the definition to them, but I often say a word I've only read but never heard aloud and the Mr teases me when I get one he knows completely wrong.

Reading is an expensive habit for me. Libraries are great except Im awful at remembering to bring them back. Bookstores, even with a membership, still cost a bit. I've got about 8 series that I have read and still waiting for the next installment.

I dont need to read faster. I need to learn how to read slower.


Used book stores? I have a rule against spending more than $5 on a hardcover unless there's something exceptional about it.

And I know what you mean about the comprehension vs pronunciation thing...Smash *lives* to correct my pronunciation.

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#22 Jul 28 2008 at 1:10 PM Rating: Good
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I'm still trying to find a good used bookstore near enough that I can drive to. Gas prices are killing me.
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I speed read and the only effect I have noticed is that I tend to mesh words together or skip some words when I'm typing. Which completely bugs me at work.
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People in various forums have noticed this of myself and take it to mean i'm stupid, which i think is rather stupid of them...

I also have an annoying habit of typing the first letter of the next word in the middle of the one i am typing because i am already thinking of what i am going to type next, that REALLY pisses me off.
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I also have an annoying habit of typing the first letter of the next word in the middle of the one i am typing because i am already thinking of what i am going to type next, that REALLY pisses me off.


I do that. Thank goodness of spell check.
#25 Jul 28 2008 at 2:27 PM Rating: Default
Heh, I've been able to do this since 1st grade. No joke.
#26 Jul 28 2008 at 2:31 PM Rating: Good
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Heh, I've been able to do this since 1st grade. No joke.
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