knoxsouthy wrote:
You think these people are thinking for themselves? Oh but Christians follow the teachings of that book so they must be incapable of independent thought right?
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Now why would you go and assume I'm not Christian myself? Why must this be an attack on Christianity. Why are you assuming persecution based on your religion and not based on your behaviour? I'm poking at you ****, not your religion.
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The Unitarians are pretty broad minded folks; the very fact that they don't consder any book or any one person to have higher authority over them, only maybe possibly God if a person believes in one, means they are by definition not a cult.
A cult requires 1. secrecy (they're not secret, they're openly advertised) 2. a leader (they don't have a single point of authority) 3. obedience to the church and the leader or else (Unitarians ask nothing of the sort.) Scientology is WAY more of a cult than the Unitarians, as are many denominations of Christianity, if you want to talk about cults. (My aforementioned in-laws are followers of some dude named Thieme or something out of Texas. They don't go to church, they sit at home on Sundays and listen to tapes of his lectures. Freaky.)
Anyway, they're pretty darn liberal no matter which way you take it, so this bitter guy was clinging to his guns and his religion and went postal. Some Christian he is . . .
A cult requires 1. secrecy (they're not secret, they're openly advertised) 2. a leader (they don't have a single point of authority) 3. obedience to the church and the leader or else (Unitarians ask nothing of the sort.) Scientology is WAY more of a cult than the Unitarians, as are many denominations of Christianity, if you want to talk about cults. (My aforementioned in-laws are followers of some dude named Thieme or something out of Texas. They don't go to church, they sit at home on Sundays and listen to tapes of his lectures. Freaky.)
Anyway, they're pretty darn liberal no matter which way you take it, so this bitter guy was clinging to his guns and his religion and went postal. Some Christian he is . . .
Meh, we could discuss whether it constitutes a religion or not; but my point is that it does not rise to the level of a cult in that there is no strong leader, no attempt to separate itself or its members from society, no strict rules of behavior such as dress and gender roles for its members.
While their views are somewhat unorthodox, I don't consider them particularly extreme.
While their views are somewhat unorthodox, I don't consider them particularly extreme.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
One of the women I work with has a daughter that attends this church. She wasn't there for the chaos though (she was running late that day), but she saw the aftermath and is still pretty shook up about it.
The church is not a cult. I've talked to my co-worker's daughter on numerous occasions and she's as normal as can be expected.
The church is not a cult. I've talked to my co-worker's daughter on numerous occasions and she's as normal as can be expected.
knoxsouthy wrote:
The media presented this as a christian crisis and it isn't.
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What difference does it make whether they're what you consider Christians or not?
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Is this the first time you people have heard of Unitarians? They're more common than Baptists up here.
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No, but I didn't know if Universalist Unitarian were some hybrid or not.
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Smasharoo wrote:
Is this the first time you people have heard of Unitarians? They're more common than Baptists up here.
This is Tennessee. If you're not Baptist, you're a heathen.
knoxsouthy wrote:
Joking aside my only problem with the whole coverage of this thing is that this madman and his place of worship are being linked with Christianity with is a lie.
How are they linking this church with Christianity? I didn't see the words Christianity or Christian mentioned anywhere in the linked article in the OP. Is there an article I missed...?
Edit: Oh, I see. You're saying that the gunman wasn't a Christian... right? I don't see anything that says he was, either.
Edited, Jul 29th 2008 4:47pm by Belkira
knoxsouthy wrote:
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My whole point wasn't whether or not this was a cult but rather these people aren't christians. The media presented this as a christian crisis and it isn't.
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a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
My whole point wasn't whether or not this was a cult but rather these people aren't christians. The media presented this as a christian crisis and it isn't.
I find this so funny that I haven't finish reading the posts I can't stop laughing at you.
Unitarians grew out of the Pilgrims of New England. No one would claim they weren't Christians, when they first came over on the Mayflower. Though they did bring a few Non-pilgrims with them to do jobs, they were not train in. Thankfully for me, since I'm a direct descendant of 3 of the first settlers.
Unitarian Church grew out of people willing to question what they believe in and the religious text you so feel is important. It was by asking myself why so much of the Bible contradicted it's self that I left the Christian church and became member of something you are sure to think worst. Ethical Humanist, look us up. We and the Unitarians often hire from either training for leaders.
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
knoxsouthy wrote:
Joking aside my only problem with the whole coverage of this thing is that this madman and his place of worship are being linked with Christianity with is a lie.
How are they linking this church with Christianity? I didn't see the words Christianity or Christian mentioned anywhere in the linked article in the OP. Is there an article I missed...?
Edit: Oh, I see. You're saying that the gunman wasn't a Christian... right? I don't see anything that says he was, either.
Edited, Jul 29th 2008 4:47pm by Belkira
From the follow up articles he was anti-church in general. That was his ex-wife's congregation, so this all looks pretty personal to me.
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Samira wrote:
From the follow up articles he was anti-church in general. That was his ex-wife's congregation, so this all looks pretty personal to me.
I'm just not sure where Knox is getting his "This isn't a Christian Crisis!!" rant from... I don't see anyone calling it a Christian Crisis.
At least, no one in the "liberal media," that is.
Hamsters did it.
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knoxsouthy wrote:
Elne,
That religious text to which you refer is called the bible. There is absolutely no mention of christ at the unitarian churches website. Now I don't know what kind of church you attend but christ is pretty important to christians.
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Unitarian Church grew out of people willing to question what they believe in and the religious text you so feel is important.
That religious text to which you refer is called the bible. There is absolutely no mention of christ at the unitarian churches website. Now I don't know what kind of church you attend but christ is pretty important to christians.
In my religion Christ is one of the many gods that are resurrected after being dead for 3 days. Others are Osiris, Adonis, Mithra, among many others. In the years I spent questioning my beliefs Bill Moyer's PBS series on Joseph Campbell had much influence on the direction I took. While you may discount these earlier myths as against your "christian*" faith, many other can not.
While checking the correct spelling of other religions that have resurrection myths, I happen to find this little essay by a UU minister.
EASTER, SPRINGTIME, HOPE AND
THE ARCHETYPE OF RESURRECTION
Does Easter have meaning for Unitarian Universalists?
*Notice that the author and I both use "C" when we talk about Christ and Christianity. Something you seem to lack respect for in your religion, so I use your "c" when talking about your beliefs.
In the place of a Dark Lord you would have a Queen! Not dark but beautiful and terrible as the Morn! Treacherous as the Seas! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair! -ElneClare
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knoxsouthy wrote:
That religious text to which you refer is called the bible. There is absolutely no mention of christ at the unitarian churches website.
2. The bits that do (let's call it the new testament) contradict each other hugely.
3. Those main 4 bits (gospel's as good a name as any) are the edited highlights from a dozen or so 'gospels' because about 400 years ago even the Chritian power-base realised that most made fUck-all sense.
4. The 'old testament' oft-quoted by your religious leaders is a slightly different translation of the bulk of Al Q'uran.
5. When will Penn & Teller get the same rights as priests to avoid awkward questions such as 'Why do you expect us to believe such patent fiction'?
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knoxsouthy wrote:
Nobby,
Untrue, but that's what you've been told so it's what you believe. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean there's any contradiction.
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The bits that do (let's call it the new testament) contradict each other hugely.
Untrue, but that's what you've been told so it's what you believe. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean there's any contradiction.
How many generations between David & JC? Varies by a factor of a millenium between the scribbly guys. Until 1604, Esdras, Timothy & Mary Magdalene's gospels were more widely followed in much of Europe (a big influence on the early settlers in your fair land) than Mikey, Marky, Lou-Lou & Jack.
They left in leviticus & deuteronomy though, so I can legitimately execute you if any of your clothes are made from blended fabrics.
Too jewish for you?
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knoxsouthy wrote:
Nobby,
Untrue, but that's what you've been told so it's what you believe. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean there's any contradiction.
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The bits that do (let's call it the new testament) contradict each other hugely.
Untrue, but that's what you've been told so it's what you believe. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean there's any contradiction.
Really I only keep my filter on default, so I can have a good laugh at your expense.
In the place of a Dark Lord you would have a Queen! Not dark but beautiful and terrible as the Morn! Treacherous as the Seas! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair! -ElneClare
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