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#28 Jul 25 2008 at 9:54 AM Rating: Good
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knoxsouthy wrote:
Despite liberals and the media's desire to portray Mcain as just another W it just won't fly. The media spent years building Mcains reputation as a maverick and apart from the typical republican. It's going to take more than just a few months of complete wall to wall coverage of Obama to overcome that.


With the general population? Are you stupi...
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#29 Jul 25 2008 at 9:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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On the other hand Obama has to convince the moderates (independents) that he's not as flaming a liberal as his voting record indicates. Obama won't even take the votesmart test that allows the voters to know exactly where he stands on the issues. Fortunately you can check votesmart to see just how liberal his voting record is.


The media's only goal is to foster the illusion that this thing is in any way close. It isn't. Close elections are big money for the networks, blow out elections aren't. This is why the "Hillary can still win!" narrative was pimped around for months after everyone knew it was going to be Obama.

Oh sorry, you and Gbaji didn't. Let me amend that to everyone who's not a fucking sucker.

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#30 Jul 25 2008 at 9:59 AM Rating: Good
knoxsouthy wrote:
It's going to take more than just a few months of complete wall to wall coverage of Obama to overcome that.


It's cute you think the average single issue voter has a long attention span and memory than that. Foolish but cute.

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Obama won't even take the votesmart test that allows the voters to know exactly where he stands on the issues. Fortunately you can check votesmart to see just how liberal his voting record is.


Ever think because votesmart test is bullsh*t? The site is billed as a "Voters Self Defense System" but come on, quotes like these
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It is a deceptively simple concept but enormously difficult to achieve and would not be possible without the collaboration of citizens willing to lay their partisan differences aside for this one crucial task.
make the very nature of the idea retarded. And I don't want a politician to make up his mind on any issue until the right time comes, information changes and to make a preemptive decision sounds dangerous.

damn "e"

Edited, Jul 25th 2008 12:59pm by Kaelesh
#31 Jul 25 2008 at 10:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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knoxsouthy wrote:
Despite liberals and the media's desire to portray Mcain as just another W it just won't fly.
According to who? You? Not according to the people being polled.

If McCain doesn't want to be seen as more Bush then he needs to have something current to point to. Stories of how he once upon a time stood against the GOP on immigration and tax cuts and oil drilling don't wash when he's scurried to the right on those issues since taking on the mantle of nominee.
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#32 Jul 25 2008 at 10:07 AM Rating: Good
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Obama won't even take the votesmart test


No politician will or should.
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#34 Jul 25 2008 at 10:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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According to your own polls Obama and Mcain are neck and neck.
No, they're not. The only people saying so are either lying or don't understand polling.
The National Council on Public Polls wrote:
Certainly, if the gap between the two candidates is less than the sampling error margin, you should not say that one candidate is ahead of the other. You can say the race is "close," the race is "roughly even," or there is "little difference between the candidates." But it should not be called a "dead heat" unless the candidates are tied with the same percentages. And it certainly is not a “statistical tie” unless both candidates have the same exact percentages.

And just as certainly, when the gap between the two candidates is equal to or more than twice the error margin – 6 percentage points in our example – and if there are only two candidates and no undecided voters, you can say with confidence that the poll says Candidate A is clearly leading Candidate B.

When the gap between the two candidates is more than the error margin but less than twice the error margin, you should say that Candidate A "is ahead," "has an advantage" or "holds an edge." The story should mention that there is a small possibility that Candidate B is ahead of Candidate A.
Both Rasmussen and Gallup have Obama outside of the MOE for their polls. In fact, today's Gallup lead is 3x the MOE of 2pts.
The same organization wrote:
It has become common practice in news stories to call small differences between candidates "statistical dead heats." This happens when a candidate's lead is less than the error due to sampling. We want to say right up front that it is encouraging to see reporters aware of sampling error. We discuss it in a separate report. This time we want to discuss candidate leads.

"Statistical dead heat" just does not do justice to what is known. In a poll, a lead is a real lead if the difference between two candidates is bigger than the error due to rounding. We said bigger than "rounding," not sampling error. Simply put, any difference greater than one percentage point is a lead. However, all leads are not equal. A big lead is still more certain than a small lead. There are leads that we will bet the ranch on and leads that are only worth an even money bet. Personally, we would be happy to take any leading candidate over the trailing candidate in an even money bet. The leading candidate's chances of winning are better than the other candidate's. Maybe not much better if the lead is small, but still it is better.

A small lead is any difference between candidates that is smaller than the sampling error on the difference. A better choice than "statistical dead heat" would be: "Candidate A is leading at this time, but victory over Candidate B is less than certain." Or, "Candidate A's small (2 point) lead does not assure him/her of victory on Election Day."The points to be made are (1) candidate A has a lead; (2) it is a small lead; (3) the outcome is not assured; (4) the results apply to the days of the poll, not Election Day.


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#35 Jul 25 2008 at 10:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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According to your own polls Obama and Mcain are neck and neck.


No. If the election were held today, and the polls are accurate, Obama would win 322 electoral votes. I don't know who you suckers are getting this "It's a tie!" spin from, but it's not and never has been.



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#37 Jul 25 2008 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
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Tell me what gallup says again Joph.


It says you have the wrong day because you're a stupid motherfucker?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/109105/Gallup-Daily-Obama-There-Europe-Effect.aspx

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?



Edited, Jul 25th 2008 2:36pm by Smasharoo
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#39 Jul 25 2008 at 10:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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You're a tool.


Yeah, I know. Knowing what day of the week it is makes me an intellectual elite in 10SE.
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#40 Jul 25 2008 at 10:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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LOLOLOL you are definitly living in lala land.


That's what TODAY's polling says, sucker. Keep hope alive, though. You'll need to build up a good deal of sucker practice for when Obama opens up a 15 point lead in September after the first debate.



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#42 Jul 25 2008 at 10:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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You're funny. Everyone knows Obama can't think w/o the tele-prompter.


Could be worse, he could be a doddering old fool who cheated on his wife with a wealthy drug addict and who can't even manage to use a teleprompter because the technology is too confusing for him.

Fuck, I'd shoot myself in the face if that was my candidate.




Edited, Jul 25th 2008 2:50pm by Smasharoo
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#43 Jul 25 2008 at 11:02 AM Rating: Decent
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knoxsouthy wrote:
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Gallup Daily: Obama Maintains Slim Edge Over McCainOverseas trip has not altered voter preferences to dateUSA Election 2008 Gallup Daily Americas Northern America PRINCETON, NJ -- Gallup Poll Daily tracking of national registered voters' presidential election preferences finds Barack Obama with a slight advantage over John McCain, 45% to 43%.


You're a tool.

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Obama would win 322 electoral votes


LOLOLOL you are definitly living in lala land.





Edited, Jul 25th 2008 2:40pm by knoxsouthy



We're july 25th virus, not the 24th. That's so yesterday
#45 Jul 25 2008 at 11:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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knoxsouthy wrote:
Are you seriously arguing that over 2 months from the eletion a couple of points on a poll means something?
Weren't you just declaring it "neck and neck"? Two months out?

I will say that daily tracking doesn't mean much on a per day basis. But the over time averages are certainly holding up in Obama's favor.

Edited, Jul 25th 2008 2:24pm by Jophiel
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Are you seriously arguing that over 2 months from the eletion a couple of points on a poll means something?


Only if they put McCain inside the MOE, I guess.


You people really are desperate.


Yeah, it's the people who are winning are desperate, not the guy who's using yesterday's poll because he's been suckered, yet again, by some media spin.

Hahahahaha. Ahahahahaha. It'll be funny to see what you complain about when Obama lowers your taxes. I'm sure you'll find something, though, sucker. Whatever they tell you to, right?


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As opposed to a radical muslim who has a wife that hates whitey?


Yeah, sadly for you, Cindy Lou McCain really did steal drugs from a charity because she couldn't get any more from physicians, and McCain really did start ******* a woman young enough to be his daughter while his wife and *actual* daughter were left to fend for themselves.


Because yesterdays poll is obviously more accurate than todays. You people and your polls. Didn't work the last two times and won't work this time either. Mcain is going to be the next president which is why the media is ignoring him. They know once he's elected they'll have to start paying attention.


Sure, sucker. I'm starting to see why you use the time warp thing to desperately cling to your McCain fantasy:

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Fox_uses_old_footage_to_make_0725.html

You've been trained by the people who control what you think, huh, sucker? Too bad it's not really 2000 John McCain. Eight years ago, he knew where Pakistan was, and didn't reverse the order of historical events to attempt to take credit for them.

I can't wait to see the contrast of Obama and that doddering old fool during the debates. The election will be over in the first shot of them standing together.



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#51 Jul 25 2008 at 12:28 PM Rating: Good
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Could be worse; like Obama forgetting how many nukes we dropped on Japan.


It is worse, McCain really did those things. See, I know in your strange GOP fantasy world, pretending something happened is the same as it actually happening, but to the rest of the world, it isn't.

:(

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