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#27 Jul 25 2008 at 7:45 AM Rating: Decent

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No you are. I have trained people to maintain US weapons from different militaries, particularly Israel and Australia.

Unless of course, you don't consider missles, planes, bomb, or engines as part of a weapon or weapon system.

While our government may share some weapon technology with some of our allies its a far cry from an open market available to any country with a bag full of money.

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No you are. I have trained people to maintain US weapons from different militaries, particularly Israel and Australia.

Unless of course, you don't consider missles, planes, bomb, or engines as part of a weapon or weapon system.

While our government may share some weapon technology with some of our allies its a far cry from an open market available to any country with a bag full of money.

You realize it isn't handed out for free right? Raytheon, a leader in military weapons technology is on the payroll of about 15 different countries. They supply weapons, weapon systems, and shipboard technology to just about every modernized military. The US habitually sells decommissioned ships to various countries. While we can go back and forth about "well they are our allies!" the simple fact is weapons technology is a big business that is highly lucrative and the developers know it. Like all businesses they want all the viable customers they can get their hands on.

The business of weapons isn't as secure as I'd like it to be, but I'm not on the level where I can make these decisions.

#29 Jul 25 2008 at 7:54 AM Rating: Decent

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While our government may share some weapon technology with some of our allies its a far cry from an open market available to any country with a bag full of money.

Saddam Hussein was once a US ally. Just saying...

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While our government may share some weapon technology with some of our allies its a far cry from an open market available to any country with a bag full of money.

Please tell me you aren't this fUcking stupid.

It cannot be possible for anyone to be that fUcking stupid, i mean you would REALLY have to work at it.

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Alliant Techsystems is the largest supplier of all munitions to the U.S. Department of Defense, and works on many DoD contracts, including large and small caliber munitions employing depleted uranium penetrators, rocket motors for most missiles-- most notably the Trident II nuclear missile and the tactical AGM-130 and AMRAAM missiles. Alliant was spun off from Honeywell in 1991 and suffered a hostile take-over by Hercules Incorporated in 1993. It is a $1.2 billion a year business which operates in 23 congressional districts throughout the United States and has international sales office in 33 countries, including Israel, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Malaysia, Chile, Pakistan, India, Greece and Turkey.

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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:

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While our government may share some weapon technology with some of our allies its a far cry from an open market available to any country with a bag full of money.

Saddam Hussein was once a US ally. Just saying...

As were the Taliban.

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As were the Taliban.

OMG, Americans are terrorists!

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While our government may share some weapon technology with some of our allies its a far cry from an open market available to any country with a bag full of money.

No, there's a tiny list of countries companies *aren't* allowed to sell weaponry to.

The only reason US troops are shot with AK-47's instead of US made guns is that they're cheaper.

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Alliant Techsystems is the largest supplier of all munitions to the U.S. Department of Defense, and works on many DoD contracts, including large and small caliber munitions employing depleted uranium penetrators, rocket motors for most missiles-- most notably the Trident II nuclear missile and the tactical AGM-130 and AMRAAM missiles. Alliant was spun off from Honeywell in 1991 and suffered a hostile take-over by Hercules Incorporated in 1993. It is a $1.2 billion a year business which operates in 23 congressional districts throughout the United States and has international sales office in 33 countries, including Israel, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Malaysia, Chile, Pakistan, India, Greece and Turkey.

If this is the case why dosn't Iran have M1A1 tanks instead of those crapy russian tanks they have?

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If this is the case why dosn't Iran have M1A1 tanks instead of those crapy russian tanks they have?

Cost. When the Soviet Union collapsed a lot of Russian armaments hit the world market at discount prices.

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If this is the case why dosn't Iran have M1A1 tanks instead of those crapy russian tanks they have?

Have you ever heard that you never sell a weapon to an enemy that you don't have a bigger one to defeat it with?

It's controlled escalation.

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If this is the case why dosn't Iran have M1A1 tanks instead of those crapy russian tanks they have?

Holy sh*t you wheren't faking the supidity.

The following other countries use the M1A1:

Australia
Egypt
Kuwait
Saudi

The arguably better German Leopard II is used by 16 countries, the Russian T80 is used by 8 countries.

The F15 has been sold directly to 25 Militaries.

I have personally helped hand over Ex Royal Navy ships to three other countries.

#38 Jul 25 2008 at 9:30 AM Rating: Excellent

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I have personally helped hand over Ex Royal Navy ships to three other countries.

Those submarines barely count as ships.

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If this is the case why dosn't Iran have M1A1 tanks

Have you looked into medication?

They have lots of stuff we've sold them. F-14s, Cobra attack helicopters, dozens of arty pieces, etc.

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Those submarines barely count as ships.

It was HMS Sheffield > Chile, HMS Coventry > Romania and HMS Norfolk > Also Chile.

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If this is the case why dosn't Iran have M1A1 tanks

Have you looked into medication?

They have lots of stuff we've sold them. F-14s, Cobra attack helicopters, dozens of arty pieces, etc.

And P-3 Orions.

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It was HMS Sheffield > Chile, HMS Coventry > Romania and HMS Norfolk > Also Chile.

Begs the question of what Romania does with a ******* submarine. Spy on the evil Bulgarians to make sure Boris and Natasha don't sneak across the border in a Zodiac?

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Coventry was a Type 22 Frigate, I guess they use it for a command platform, it's comms suite was pretty good even 20 years on.

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Coventry was a Type 22 Frigate

Ahh, that's ok then. "Sure we don't have shoes, but we have a command platform. Great success!"

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The Admiral probably has shoes and was looking for a toy to play with, thats how it usually works.

The romanians did change much but the Chilians upped the standard 270 crew to 350+ the really squeezed those beds in.

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Those submarines barely count as ships.

It was HMS Sheffield > Chile, HMS Coventry > Romania and HMS Norfolk > Also Chile.

I'm talking about the floating ***** you guys sold us.

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I'm talking about mumble mumble 50 year old submarines mumble mumble conned us mumble mumble we are suckers mumble mumble.

Sorry, did quite catch that?

#48 Jul 25 2008 at 11:48 AM Rating: Decent

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I have personally helped hand over Ex Royal Navy ships to three other countries.

So are we talking about old and outdated technology or are we talking about current? You seems to know much on the subject so fill us in man.

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So are we talking about old and outdated technology or are we talking about current? You seems to know much on the subject so fill us in man.

HMS Norfolk is a Type 23 Frigate, they form the main escort frigate groups for the Royal Navy, so Current.

The main Strike Aircraft for the USAF is still the F15 so again current.

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So are we talking about old and outdated technology or are we talking about current? You seems to know much on the subject so fill us in man.

HMS Norfolk is a Type 23 Frigate, they form the main escort frigate groups for the Royal Navy, so Current.

The main Strike Aircraft for the USAF is still the F15 so again current.

The joint strike fighter will also be sold to a number of countries, so future weaponry.

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HMS Norfolk is a Type 23 Frigate, they form the main escort frigate groups for the Royal Navy, so Current.

Who is it being sold to?

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The joint strike fighter will also be sold to a number of countries, so future weaponry.

Which countries?

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