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Iraqi PM Maliki calls Obama's timetable "the right timeframeFollow

#1 Jul 19 2008 at 3:00 PM Rating: Good
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Wow, that Obama just doesn't know anything about Iraqi and is clueless when he calls for a 16 month timetable for withdrawal, huh?
Associated Press wrote:
BERLIN - Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki says U.S. troops should leave Iraq "as soon as possible," according to a magazine report, and he called presidential candidate Barack Obama's suggestion of 16 months "the right timeframe for a withdrawal."

In an interview with Germany's Der Spiegel magazine released Saturday, al-Maliki said he was not seeking to endorse Obama. The Illinois senator and likely Democratic nominee has pledged to withdraw combat troops from Iraq within 16 months if he is elected.

"That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes," al-Maliki was quoted as saying. "Those who operate on the premise of short time periods in Iraq today are being more realistic. Artificially prolonging the tenure of U.S. troops in Iraq would cause problems."

Asked when U.S. forces would leave Iraq, he responded, "As soon as possible, as far a we're concerned."
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Obama's Republican presidential rival, John McCain, has supported Bush administration policy opposing a set timetable for taking troops out of Iraq. McCain's campaign did not return a call Saturday seeking comment on the Maliki interview.
What kind of fucking moron is that Maliki, saying that 16 months is a good call and admitting that there might need to be some slight adjustments depending on conditions? What a naive fool!

The White House was so excited about the news that they sent a copy of the article to everyone in the media! Smiley: laugh
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#2 Jul 19 2008 at 3:28 PM Rating: Good
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Sure, and if a presidential candidate said he'd push for US troops to leave Iraq in 12 months or 8 months, he'd be in favor of that too, just as if Obama said 20 months or two years.

Why? Because Arab politics demands as little American influence as humanly possible. Just as when we finished GW1, Saudi Arabia wanted out of country soonest-- and in fact, we left within six months of the end of the war.

So don't sprain your shoulder patting yourself on your back, Jo, just because Maliki says he agrees with your boy's stance. The real acid test is if he would back us leaving immediately. Then you know he meant business.

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#3 Jul 19 2008 at 3:33 PM Rating: Decent
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He said "as soon as possible" so yea i guess right now would be ok with him.
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Asked when U.S. forces would leave Iraq, he responded, "As soon as possible, as far a we're concerned."


#4 Jul 19 2008 at 3:35 PM Rating: Good
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So don't sprain your shoulder patting yourself on your back, Jo, just because Maliki says he agrees with your boy's stance.
Don't fret for my health, Toto. I'm feelin' just fine Smiley: grin

By the way, here's the Der Spiegel article.
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"So far the Americans have had trouble agreeing to a concrete timetable for withdrawal, because they feel it would appear tantamount to an admission of defeat," Maliki told SPIEGEL. "But that isn't the case at all. If we come to an agreement, it is not evidence of a defeat, but of a victory, of a severe blow we have inflicted on al-Qaida and the militias."


Edited, Jul 19th 2008 6:45pm by Jophiel
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#5 Jul 19 2008 at 4:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not sure who's going to care what a low level US official thinks of Obamma's timetable? If al Sadar or someone with any power in Iraq had endorsed it, that'd be news.

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#6REDACTED, Posted: Jul 19 2008 at 5:24 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm sure the Iraqi politician's/dictators,time will tell,are looking forward to running their country the way they see fit.In a region where retaining power means mass killings of anyone who is percieved as your enemy,they will probably be more effective at rooting out the resistance forces as they won't be under the microscope of the American media and left wing party.
#7 Jul 19 2008 at 5:28 PM Rating: Good
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I'm sure the Iraqi politician's/dictators,time will tell,are looking forward to running their country the way they see fit.In a region where retaining power means mass killings of anyone who is percieved as your enemy,they will probably be more effective at rooting out the resistance forces as they won't be under the microscope of the American media and left wing party.
This is the democratically elected government Bush lauded as a success for Iraq. Remember the purple thumbs and all that?

Are you saying that Bush failed bringing democracy to Iraq?
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#8 Jul 19 2008 at 5:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Are you saying that Bush failed bringing democracy to Iraq?


Time will tell the story of whether it sticks or not.I don't see 6 years being enough time to change centuries of tradition in the way they do things over there.Once we are out we are out for good.It just feels alot like cut and run to me.
#9 Jul 19 2008 at 6:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Are you saying that Bush failed bringing democracy to Iraq?


Time will tell the story of whether it sticks or not.I don't see 6 years being enough time to change centuries of tradition in the way they do things over there.


Democracy enforced by military presence is not a true democracy either. The only way democracy will ever be considered a true success in Iraq, regardless of its duration, is if it manages to sustain itself in the absence of U.S. military occupation (strong word I know).
#10 Jul 19 2008 at 6:35 PM Rating: Decent
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regardless of its duration


So are you saying that if we had left a month after the war was over there would be the same chance of Iraq maintaining a democracy? Were we to put up a president and leave saying "there you go.You are free now.Cya later".Like it or not we are there and have a responsibility to the people as we did invade their country.

I dont see the value of leaving the people in Iraq holding the bag for helping and working with American forces just so someone can get elected.I don't know why Obama is even bothering to go to Iraq.He is running on ending the the "war" there and is going to no matter what the situation is.
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I don't see 6 years being enough time to change centuries of tradition in the way they do things over there.
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Like it or not we are there and have a responsibility to the people as we did invade their country.
I'd say the primary aspect of that responsibility is to wrap it up when asked.
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I don't know why Obama is even bothering to go to Iraq.He is running on ending the the "war" there and is going to no matter what the situation is.
Which would be a good reason to visit -- to determine the best way to execute a withdrawal.
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Which would be a good reason to visit -- to determine the best way to execute a withdrawal.

See how many soldiers he can fit in his jet on the way home.
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#13 Jul 20 2008 at 12:24 PM Rating: Good
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Updates:
An Iraqi government spokesman issued a partial denial, curiously through CENTCOM rather than more traditional channels.

Der Spiegel stands by its remarks, noting that the denial doesn't attempt to state which remarks were "misunderstood and mistranslated" (or what they were supposed to say) and that Maliki notes support for the plan in three different comments making it absurd to claim that each time he talks about the plan, it was mistranslated.
Der Spiegel wrote:
A Baghdad government spokesman, Ali al-Dabbagh, said in a statement that SPIEGEL had "misunderstood and mistranslated" the Iraqi prime minister, but didn't point to where the misunderstanding or mistranslation might have occurred. Al-Dabbagh said Maliki's comments "should not be understood as support to any US presidential candidates." The statement was sent out by the press desk of the US-led Multinational Force in Iraq.

A number of media outlets likewise professed to being confused by the statement from Maliki's office. The New York Times pointed out that al-Dabbagh's statement "did not address a specific error." CBS likewise expressed disbelief pointing out that Maliki mentions a timeframe for withdrawal three times in the interview and then asks, "how likely is it that SPIEGEL mistranslated three separate comments?" Matthew Yglesias, a blogger for the Atlantic Monthly, was astonished by "how little effort was made" to make the Baghdad denial convincing. And the influential blog IraqSlogger also pointed out the lack of specifics in the government statement.

SPIEGEL sticks to its version of the conversation.
Der Spiegel has also released the full English translation of the interview so it's available in context.

Edited, Jul 20th 2008 3:28pm by Jophiel
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Boomsticker wrote:

So are you saying that if we had left a month after the war was over there would be the same chance of Iraq maintaining a democracy? Were we to put up a president and leave saying "there you go.You are free now.Cya later".Like it or not we are there and have a responsibility to the people as we did invade their country.


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Somalia. It started off as a humanitarian mission then changed into a nation-building mission and that's where the mission went wrong. The mission was changed. And as a result, our nation paid a price, and so I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war. I think our troops ought to be used to help overthrow a dictator when it's in our best interests. But in this case, it was a nation-building exercise. And same with Haiti. I wouldn't have supported either.
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#15 Jul 20 2008 at 2:47 PM Rating: Good
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It seems the "denial" only came after some government phone calls from the administration
Washington Post wrote:
The statement by an aide to Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki calling his remarks in Der Spiegel "misinterpreted and mistranslated" followed a call to the prime minister's office from U.S. government officials in Iraq.
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But after the Spiegel interview was published and began generating headlines Saturday, officials at the U.S. embassy in Baghdad contacted Maliki's office to express concern and seek clarification on the remarks, according to White House spokesman Scott Stanzel.

Later in the day, a Maliki aide released a statement saying the remarks had been misinterpreted, though without citing specific comments.


Late Edit: The NYT reports that it was Maliki's own interpreter who was used for the story and the NYT independently verified the interpretation from the original recordings.

Edited, Jul 21st 2008 6:58am by Jophiel
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#16 Jul 21 2008 at 5:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Late Edit: The NYT reports that it was Maliki's own interpreter who was used for the story and the NYT independently verified the interpretation from the original recordings


And how many lies has the New York Times been involved in? They should have a page JUST for all the retractions it has to make.
#17 Jul 21 2008 at 5:58 AM Rating: Good
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And how many lies has the New York Times been involved in?
I give up. How many?

Is that your retort? Some weak ad hominem that has nothing to do with the translation itself?
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#18 Jul 21 2008 at 6:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Is that your retort? Some weak ad hominem that has nothing to do with the translation itself?


I always consider the source.The NYT is NOT a reliable source for acurate news.The article its self says the title is misleading.
#19 Jul 21 2008 at 6:14 AM Rating: Good
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The NYT is NOT a reliable source for acurate news.
And what's your opinion on Der Spiegel?
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The article its self says the title is misleading.
That's TPM's opinion of it. In any event, the headline and the story rarely come from the same person. And neither has anything to do with the translation.
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#20 Jul 21 2008 at 6:31 AM Rating: Decent
Is Boomsticker varrus's older brother?

Cos it would explain a lot of things.

Like, how he managed to find his way to this forum, for one.
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I have to take the blame for that. He wrote a post in the Gen EQ forum ******** about my old sig and, not wanting to debate in Gen EQ, I told him that those comments go here.
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#22 Jul 21 2008 at 6:43 AM Rating: Good
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I have to take the blame for that. He wrote a post in the Gen EQ forum ******** about my old sig and, not wanting to debate in Gen EQ, I told him that those comments go here.


I hope you're enjoying your ****-free Gen EQ forum now Smiley: glare
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#23 Jul 21 2008 at 6:59 AM Rating: Default
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I have to take the blame for that. He wrote a post in the Gen EQ forum ******** about my old sig and, not wanting to debate in Gen EQ, I told him that those comments go here.


LOL.Just here to stir the pot a bit.Gets pretty boring preaching to the choir don't it?
#24 Jul 21 2008 at 12:42 PM Rating: Decent
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This would all be much more impressive for Obama if he hadn't been talking about the 16 month withdrawal constantly for the last 2 years...

Just saying. Broken clock and all of that.
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This would all be much more impressive for Obama if he hadn't been talking about the 16 month withdrawal constantly for the last 2 years...


Thanks for repeating talking points verbatim. We have televisions, you know. The funny part about this one is just how desperate it sounds. As if Obama's suggest for a withdrawal plan after he became President involved him leaping into a magical time machine and starting the withdrawal in 2006.

16 months is ludicrous regardless of what happens between now and 2010, but it's a good talking point that's easy for suckers to understand.


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#26 Jul 21 2008 at 1:26 PM Rating: Good
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Broken clock and all of that.
So as long as we agree that Obama is right, let's just wait for McCain to jump on board, eh?
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