knoxsouthy wrote:
and you seem to be under the miconception that a fully formed baby in the womb isn't alive.
And when, exactly, is a fetus fully formed and functioning? For several weeks it's nothing more than a gelatinous mass of cells.
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And when, exactly, is a fetus fully formed and functioning? For several weeks it's nothing more than a gelatinous mass of cells.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Misconception, get it?
Good one.
Good one.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Debalic wrote:
For several weeks it's nothing more than a gelatinous mass of cells.
There's always womb for jello.
Ok you can hit me now.
Debalic wrote:
knoxsouthy wrote:
and you seem to be under the miconception that a fully formed baby in the womb isn't alive.
And when, exactly, is a fetus fully formed and functioning? For several weeks it's nothing more than a gelatinous mass of cells.
Either way I'd reiterate my point from earlier that consciousness is a bad argument to make. It's not particularly relevant.
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knoxsouthy wrote:
Kaelesh,
A choice to murder a fully formed and functioning fetus is not a choice.
A choice to murder a fully formed and functioning fetus is not a choice.
Now that I have my internets back:
It's a choice, and has been since 1973, like it or not.
knoxsouthy wrote:
When do you believe life begins? That's what we're really talking about. I think you all know my stance on this.
I'm not going to get into a pointless debate with you about my personal beliefs. Let's face it, it'll never be good enough for a sloth like yourself.
Ambrya wrote:
In an utterly predictable move that one easily foresaw seven and a half years ago when Bush appointed a Surgeon General who refused to prescribe birth control to single women, the HHS is attempting to restrict women's access to birth control by defining many of the more popular forms of birth control as "abortion" so that women cannot acquire these forms of contraception from clinics which receive federal funding.
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Who's surprised? Not me.
Further information may be found here.
Who's surprised? Not me.
Surprised that you mistook an internal proposal for discussion as a done policy change? Not really. The article was written in a way designed to invoke the most fear possible...
Look. The science of procreation (yeah. The actual science), does have two broad interpretations of the start of life. One at conception, one at implantation (as the article says if you read the whole thing). Any organization that makes policy decisions based on that science has to consider both of them. The fact that they do doesn't mean anything other then that they're being thorough.
Alert me when they actually make policy changes that categorize taking the pill as "abortion" in the legal sense.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Yeah the article was pretty out there in it's rhetoric.
But if this draft proposal does lend presedence in defining some birth control as abortion, that's pretty detrimental.
But if this draft proposal does lend presedence in defining some birth control as abortion, that's pretty detrimental.
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Elinda wrote:
Yeah the article was pretty out there in it's rhetoric.
It's the Huffington Post. What did you expect? ;)
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But if this draft proposal does lend presedence in defining some birth control as abortion, that's pretty detrimental.
Yeah. I get that in a "keep an eye on trends" kind of thing. But alarmist "OMG!!! Look what the evil Republicans are doing now!!!" rhetoric is far far far beyond that. It's not even a draft proposal as far as I can see (the article isn't super clear and just says "proposal"). I doubt if we're talking about a document even at the "do we really want to implement this?" stage.
More likely, this was some working group proposal, where their task is to present proposals based purely on the science of the issue at hand. This would be well below any policy level within the organization.
The only real surprise here is that usually the liberal media outlets start the "OMG, don't vote Republican or they'll outlaw abortion" rhetoric a bit earlier in election season then this. Usually, we've had about 8 threads on the subject by this time in an election year. They're slacking I guess...
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
The only real surprise here is that usually the liberal media outlets start the "OMG, don't vote Republican or they'll outlaw abortion" rhetoric
Do you think this might have anything to do with McCain stating we should outlaw abortion?
Nah, that's crazy. It's all a vast conspiracy on the part of the media. The same media that flogged the Jessie Jackson thing for days and before that the Jeremiah Wright thing for weeks. Because they want Obama to win, see.....
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Wow, Varrus payed for premium? Wouldn't that money have been better spent as a donation to the McCain campaign?
Well, you're paying for a forum full of people you don't like 
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
knoxsouthy wrote:
Paskil,
I know; what's the world coming to. Why would I donate to a candidate I don't like?
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Wow, Varrus payed for premium? Wouldn't that money have been better spent as a donation to the McCain campaign?
I know; what's the world coming to. Why would I donate to a candidate I don't like?
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I lost my post
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I can't tell what your avatar is. Explanation please?
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Apparently Virus doesn't think we all already realize he's an ignorant hick, so he has to flash his okra around.
Ambrya wrote:
Apparently Virus doesn't think we all already realize he's an ignorant hick, so he has to flash his okra around.
hahahaha, I'm picturing some ******* pulling out a money clip and making a show of trying to find small bills with which to pay for an issue of the Wall Street Journal at a news stand...but instead of money, it's okra.
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knoxsouthy wrote:
Fried broccoli stems? You're pulling my leg aren't you?
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Nexa wrote:
Ambrya wrote:
Apparently Virus doesn't think we all already realize he's an ignorant hick, so he has to flash his okra around.
hahahaha, I'm picturing some @#%^ pulling out a money clip and making a show of trying to find small bills with which to pay for an issue of the Wall Street Journal at a news stand...but instead of money, it's okra.
Nexa
Now I'm going to be mentally trying to fit okra into a money clip for the rest of the day. Thanks.
Smasharoo wrote:
The only real surprise here is that usually the liberal media outlets start the "OMG, don't vote Republican or they'll outlaw abortion" rhetoric
Do you think this might have anything to do with McCain stating we should outlaw abortion?
Stating that we should, or that he would? Those are two different things you know...
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Nah, that's crazy. It's all a vast conspiracy on the part of the media. The same media that flogged the Jessie Jackson thing for days and before that the Jeremiah Wright thing for weeks. Because they want Obama to win, see.....
You're right. A candidate holding a mainstream position on a mainstream issue should be huge news. Huge! But a candidate attending an anti-american church for 20 years. Well, that's just not newsworthy at all...
Did that really make sense inside your head when you were writing it?
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
Stating that we should, or that he would?
McCain's website wrote:
John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench.
Constitutional balance would be restored by the reversal of Roe v. Wade, returning the abortion question to the individual states. The difficult issue of abortion should not be decided by judicial fiat.
However, the reversal of Roe v. Wade represents only one step in the long path toward ending abortion. Once the question is returned to the states, the fight for life will be one of courage and compassion - the courage of a pregnant mother to bring her child into the world and the compassion of civil society to meet her needs and those of her newborn baby. The pro-life movement has done tremendous work in building and reinforcing the infrastructure of civil society by strengthening faith-based, community, and neighborhood organizations that provide critical services to pregnant mothers in need. This work must continue and government must find new ways to empower and strengthen these armies of compassion. These important groups can help build the consensus necessary to end abortion at the state level.
Constitutional balance would be restored by the reversal of Roe v. Wade, returning the abortion question to the individual states. The difficult issue of abortion should not be decided by judicial fiat.
However, the reversal of Roe v. Wade represents only one step in the long path toward ending abortion. Once the question is returned to the states, the fight for life will be one of courage and compassion - the courage of a pregnant mother to bring her child into the world and the compassion of civil society to meet her needs and those of her newborn baby. The pro-life movement has done tremendous work in building and reinforcing the infrastructure of civil society by strengthening faith-based, community, and neighborhood organizations that provide critical services to pregnant mothers in need. This work must continue and government must find new ways to empower and strengthen these armies of compassion. These important groups can help build the consensus necessary to end abortion at the state level.
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Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
If you're against abortion and it's a key issue with you then nothing, I guess. I'm not really interested in the abortion debate, just noting that McCain wants to see RvW overturned and then assist private groups in getting it banned on the state level.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
knoxsouthy wrote:
Ambrya,
You're one to talk about ignorance. I also like how you feel the need to put down anyone who has a garden, it illustrates what an elightened and sophisticated lady you are.
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Apparently Virus doesn't think we all already realize he's an ignorant hick, so he has to flash his okra around.
You're one to talk about ignorance. I also like how you feel the need to put down anyone who has a garden, it illustrates what an elightened and sophisticated lady you are.
Nonsense. I'd never insult a garden. But we all know you get your okra from the Piggly Wiggly.
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But we all know this is just a facade and you really have the hots for me.
Nah, I know I'm not your type. Stick to your cousins, I'm sure they all appreciate your rifle-rack and Confederate flag.
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