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#27 Jul 17 2008 at 5:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Youshutup wrote:
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Wohoo I enjoy paying for a sluts contraceptive.


Now you'll be paying for her child support instead ;)

Ahahaha didn't see THAT coming didja?

And you're the one who keeps ******** about welfare.
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#28 Jul 17 2008 at 5:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Ambrya wrote:
Unless the ultimate goal is neither the elimination of abortion nor birth control, but instead is to strong-arm women back into the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant.
Hahahaha...

You say that like it's a bad thing.
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#29 Jul 17 2008 at 6:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Duchess Guenny wrote:
Just another ploy to make the working class poorer. Thanx Bushy.

Thank goodness for Planned Parenthood, though. They give away free birth control like nobody's business! Smiley: thumbsup


It's not free, dear. Those of us with enough disposable income to keep them running pay for it, gladly.

You're welcome.

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#30 Jul 17 2008 at 8:16 AM Rating: Good
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trickybeck wrote:

It's not that federally funded clinics won't be allowed to offer those contraceptives. It's that federally funded clinics can't discriminate in hiring employees based on their willingness to apply contraception/abortion.

Still an abhorrent policy, though.



You are right, I didn't really word my original post very well. The way I see it is that there are two big problems with this rule.

The first is the same problem that existed back when the government was trying to strong-arm pharmacies into hiring pharmacists who refused to dispense emergency contraception and/or birth control. That is the fact that the government is trying to force employers to hire employees who are unwilling to perform the job for which they are being hired.

Now, this makes no sense on a number of fronts. Would a lumber company be legally compelled to hire a lumberjack who happened to be a conservationist who refused to cut down trees? Of course not. Would a butcher shop ever be legally compelled to hire a vegan animal rights activist who refused, on moral grounds, to handle dead animal flesh? Of course not.

But no, the basic logic of not being compelled to hire someone patently unwilling to perform the job for which they are being hired apparently doesn't apply to women's healthcare. Because the aim here is try to try turn women's healthcare clinics into "crisis" pregnancy centers, where women who have been duped into coming believing they will receive the services advertised are instead browbeaten, emotionally blackmailed, and refused the care for which they came.

The other troubling aspect of this is ye olde slippery slope, which is what my original post was primarily conveying. By redefining abortion to include the most common forms of birth control, then the door is wide open to refusing federal funding to clinics which educate about contraception and prescribe birth control, just as funding is now denied to clinics which provide abortion counseling and/or referrals to abortion services.

Basically, this is just another one of the quietly insidious ways in which the right to choose is being gradually, subtly chipped away. The far right has realized a frontal assault on the right to choose wasn't working, so now they're nibbling at the edges instead. Eventually, there won't be anything left.
#32 Jul 17 2008 at 9:19 AM Rating: Decent
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knoxsouthy wrote:
Ambrya,

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Basically, this is just another one of the quietly insidious ways in which the right to choose is being gradually, subtly chipped away


You say right to choose when you should be saying right to murder.

The day we abolish this horrid amendment the better off the US will be.

You say this like overpopulating the US with welfare babies is a good thing. Just because no woman would be willing to carry your seed doesn't mean you need to force every woman to deliver every time they have sex.
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#33 Jul 17 2008 at 9:27 AM Rating: Decent
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knoxsouthy wrote:
Ambrya,

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Basically, this is just another one of the quietly insidious ways in which the right to choose is being gradually, subtly chipped away


You say right to choose when you should be saying right to murder.

The day we abolish this horrid amendment the better off the US will be.
This is all about power and the Republicans trying to wrestle it away from the people.

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#35 Jul 17 2008 at 9:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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Which horrid amendment is that?

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#36 Jul 17 2008 at 9:34 AM Rating: Good
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knoxsouthy wrote:
Elinda,

Actually it's about the GOP protecting the sanctity of life, baby killer.

Oh yeah, the good ol GOP. The party that conned cajoled and coerced the country into going into an unnecessary war killing thousands of innocent people.

Sorry, there is no comparison what-so-ever to a human being and a twice-divided cell.

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#38 Jul 17 2008 at 9:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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Scores of thousands of Iraqi parents would take issue with that statement.

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#39 Jul 17 2008 at 9:47 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
Which horrid amendment is that?



The right to free and bare babies that vote.

Duh.
#41 Jul 17 2008 at 9:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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knoxsouthy wrote:
Sami,

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Scores of thousands of Iraqi parents would take issue with that statement.


Just like the scores of Iraqi relatives who endured their loved ones being marched off to one of Saddams torture (real torture)/death camps.


Sure. Now look at the differential between scores and scores of thousands.

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#42 Jul 17 2008 at 9:52 AM Rating: Good
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You say right to choose when you should be saying right to murder.

The day we abolish this horrid amendment the better off the US will be.


It's interesting that the GOP wants to give people babies but won't trust them with a choice. How asinine.
#43 Jul 17 2008 at 10:04 AM Rating: Good
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knoxsouthy wrote:

Actually it's about the GOP sucking the co'cks of the religious conservatives.



FTFY.
#45 Jul 17 2008 at 10:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Oh jesus, here we go again.
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#46 Jul 17 2008 at 10:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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When do you believe life begins?


That depends on the fetus, I suppose. Clearly you haven't reached that magical point yet.
#47 Jul 17 2008 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good
knoxsouthy wrote:
Kaelesh,

A choice to murder a fully formed and functioning fetus is not a choice.

When do you believe life begins? That's what we're really talking about. I think you all know my stance on this.
About 9 months after conception when the fully formed, breathing baby is deposited on the table. You seem to be laboring under the misconception that a developing fetus has any sort of conscious thought at all.
#48 Jul 17 2008 at 11:12 AM Rating: Good
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BrownDuck the Wise wrote:
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When do you believe life begins?


That depends on the fetus, I suppose. Clearly you haven't reached that magical point yet.


This response is nothing but win.
#49 Jul 17 2008 at 11:14 AM Rating: Good
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The One and Only Darkdoom wrote:
knoxsouthy wrote:
Kaelesh,

A choice to murder a fully formed and functioning fetus is not a choice.

When do you believe life begins? That's what we're really talking about. I think you all know my stance on this.
About 9 months after conception when the fully formed, breathing baby is deposited on the table. You seem to be laboring under the misconception that a developing fetus has any sort of conscious thought at all.
To be fair, I doubt you have any idea either. If you do happen to know of any scientific oriented discussion of this, I would be interested however. Have they taken brain scans of fetus's? Honestly the line has to be drawn somewhere, clearly at birth is one place it can be drawn, but it also can be drawn at conception, or when it's implanted.

Besides conscious though does not have anything to do with what we consider appropriate. Animals clearly have some form of conscious thought, but we don't treat them like humans, which is sort of the point. It's not really a very good argument.

Edited, Jul 17th 2008 2:13pm by Xsarus
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#51 Jul 17 2008 at 12:25 PM Rating: Decent
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knoxsouthy wrote:
Kaelesh,

A choice to murder a fully formed and functioning fetus is not a choice.

When do you believe life begins? That's what we're really talking about. I think you all know my stance on this.

The morning after? A completely ludicrous stance, really.

Well, unless you're some back-country redneck moron who believes that women are good for nothing except pushing out babies.

...oh, right.
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