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#1 Jul 12 2008 at 10:14 AM Rating: Decent
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25649744/

What's up with people dying these days eh?
#2 Jul 12 2008 at 10:32 AM Rating: Good
I knew he had quit his job to make more money for his family than the white house could pay him, so I suspect he knew the end was near.

If you saw how much he aged just from 2006-2007 . . . his hair went from salt and pepper to nearly white, and he lost his eyebrows and lashes to chemo.
#3REDACTED, Posted: Jul 12 2008 at 10:45 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Wow. Time to add cancer to the list of wrongs Bush is responsible for, eh Lefties? I guess being press secretary in that adminstration was so toxicly evil that it ended up killing him. Kinda like living in a uranium mine or something...
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#5 Jul 12 2008 at 11:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Wow. Time to add cancer to the list of wrongs Bush is responsible for, eh Lefties?
Of course not. It was Zombie Vince Foster who did it!
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#6 Jul 13 2008 at 1:40 PM Rating: Decent
I'm surprised he didn't apologize. With death staring me in the face, I would have tried to come clean.
#7 Jul 14 2008 at 6:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm surprised he didn't apologize. With death staring me in the face, I would have tried to come clean.


I work with someone who worked with him on one occasion. Apparently he was a true believer.

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#9 Jul 14 2008 at 8:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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To unterstand? Is your conversion nearly complete, there, virus?

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#10 Jul 14 2008 at 11:48 AM Rating: Decent
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What's up with people dying these days eh?


I'd heard from a couple sources about this (not his death, but the coverage on some networks), and all I gotta say is: Wow. Talk about petty. The guy just died, but MSNBC can't help but spin his obit?

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With a quick-from-the-lip repartee, broadcaster’s good looks and a relentlessly bright outlook — if not always a command of the facts — he became a popular figure around the country to the delight of his White House bosses.


First off, this is just plain offensive.

Secondly, you're supposed to interpret this as: "The Bush administration was delighted that a guy who wasn't in command of the facts was presenting "their view" of things.

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In that year and a half at the White House, Snow brought partisan zeal and the skills of a seasoned performer to the task of explaining and defending the president’s policies. During daily briefings, he challenged reporters, scolded them and questioned their motives as if he were starring in a TV show broadcast live from the West Wing.


Translation: Snow's briefings were a "performance". It wasn't about fact, but just a clever fiction for public consumption...


Jesus people. You're writing about a guy who died. Can you lay off the partisan sniping for one freaking day?

Edited, Jul 14th 2008 1:03pm by gbaji
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With a quick-from-the-lip repartee, broadcaster’s good looks and a relentlessly bright outlook — if not always a command of the facts — he became a popular figure around the country to the delight of his White House bosses.


First off, this is just plain offensive.
Why? Theres not one negative thing in that passage.
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#13 Jul 14 2008 at 4:12 PM Rating: Default
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I'd heard from a couple sources about this (not his death, but the coverage on some networks), and all I gotta say is: Wow. Talk about petty. The guy just died, but MSNBC can't help but spin his obit?


Stating the truth about someone who's died isn't "petty". "Petty" is that other ******** that happens instead, like when we pretend that Gerald Ford was a revered hero instead of a useless stooge who couldn't find Kansas on a map.

I'm glad Tony Snow is dead. The world is a better place without him. I hope his family suffers tremendously in exchange for their willingness to enable a hollow empty shell of a sell out selfish *******. If we're lucky they'll die too in some sort of fire or something and I'll laugh and laugh at the crispy dead GOP drones.

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gbaji wrote:
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With a quick-from-the-lip repartee, broadcaster’s good looks and a relentlessly bright outlook — if not always a command of the facts — he became a popular figure around the country to the delight of his White House bosses.


First off, this is just plain offensive.
Why? Theres not one negative thing in that passage.


Saying that when working as press secretary at the white house, he didn't always have command of the facts isn't negative? Are you seriously suggesting that this was intended to be complimentary? So what? He made stuff up to cover for the evil Bush administration? That's a compliment?


Seriously. WTF?!
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Saying that when working as press secretary at the white house, he didn't always have command of the facts isn't negative? Are you seriously suggesting that this was intended to be complimentary? So what? He made stuff up to cover for the evil Bush administration? That's a compliment?


No, idiot it's a fact. Stating a fact isn't "negative". It's just stating a fact. "The sky is blue". Not negative. The GOP version: "Black people make less money because the sky is blue" where you try to leverage stating a fact to some ludicrous conclusion on the other hand, is indeed negative. Tony Snow pretty much exclusively did this for his entire career.
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Saying that when working as press secretary at the white house, he didn't always have command of the facts isn't negative? Are you seriously suggesting that this was intended to be complimentary? So what? He made stuff up to cover for the evil Bush administration? That's a compliment?


No, idiot it's a fact.


Funny. It looks remarkably like an "opinion"...


It's not surprising to me that you can't tell the difference.
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Funny. It looks remarkably like an "opinion"


Sorry, one more time. Your opinion of this fact is that it's an opinion, not because you evidence of this, but because it "looks that way"? Here's a tip. No one else gives a fuck what your personal judgment of something is. You've proven to be pretty much 100% wrong when making judgment calls. An astonishing metric when considering how much better flipping a coin performs.

Sorry, Capitan, you FUCKING WISHING something wasn't true doesn't make it so. Perhaps someday you'll come to this realization the rest of us figured out at age 6 while you were busy being self amazed at being slightly above average.

Probably not, but perhaps.




It's not surprising to me that you can't tell the difference.


Hahahahahahahahaha. Oh man. Yeah, I'm the one who can't distinguish between what I assume to be true and what is true. Hahahahahaha. Nailed that one, tape monkey! Right on the head. Hahahahahahaha. Ahh.
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#18 Jul 15 2008 at 6:23 AM Rating: Decent
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He *didn't* always have command of the facts. That's a fact, Jack.

I used to watch his press releases or what have you and think, "Man, they sent this guy out here with either no prep or they told him to say nothing. Sacrificial lamb or hapless shill?"

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#20 Jul 15 2008 at 10:12 AM Rating: Good
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Edited, Jul 15th 2008 1:12pm by VawnLakshmi
#21 Jul 15 2008 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
Elinda wrote:
gbaji wrote:
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With a quick-from-the-lip repartee, broadcaster’s good looks and a relentlessly bright outlook — if not always a command of the facts — he became a popular figure around the country to the delight of his White House bosses.


First off, this is just plain offensive.
Why? Theres not one negative thing in that passage.


Saying that when working as press secretary at the white house, he didn't always have command of the facts isn't negative? Are you seriously suggesting that this was intended to be complimentary? So what? He made stuff up to cover for the evil Bush administration? That's a compliment?


Seriously. WTF?!
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#22 Jul 15 2008 at 4:36 PM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
He *didn't* always have command of the facts.


More or less so then Russert?


Let's put this into perspective, rather then an absolute. What exactly about Snow's command of the facts made inclusion of that statement in that article necessary or even reasonable given that the man had just died and you're writing an article about him in this context?


At the very least, it's in incredibly bad taste. What's astounding to me not only is that some Liberal writer would write that (in an AP story no less!), but that you all seem perfectly ok with it and are falling over yourselves to forgive it. It's a freaking obit piece. Common decency usually demands that if you have nothing good to say in such a piece, you don't say anything.


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That's a fact, Jack.

I used to watch his press releases or what have you and think, "Man, they sent this guy out here with either no prep or they told him to say nothing. Sacrificial lamb or hapless shill?"


Really? Or did you just disagree with what he was saying? Care to provide a quote and show how what he was saying indicated that he didn't have command of the facts? Surely, if this was so much of a signature of his work that it needed to be included in an AP article about him on the day of his death, there should be numerous examples of him getting stuff wrong...

Edited, Jul 15th 2008 5:35pm by gbaji
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Care to provide a quote and show how what he was saying indicated that he didn't have command of the facts? Surely, if this was so much of a signature of his work that it needed to be included in an AP article about him on the day of his death, there should be numerous examples of him getting stuff wrong...

There are hundreds. Possibly thousands. Why would anyone bother, though? You'll ignore them and continue to whine like a little ***** about the AP writing an objective epitaph. Without the powerless impotent crying about the media, you people wouldn't know what to do with yourselves, would you?

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So no quote, huh?

Not surprising...


While I'm sure you think it's wonderful, I think most people view that sort of sniping in that context as pretty lacking in class. Or at least I would hope most people do. It's a bit sad that partisanship has gotten so out of hand that many people feel they must steadfastly support such a classless act.

Edited, Jul 15th 2008 6:29pm by gbaji
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I don't really give a wet slap about Tony Snow, dead or alive, but it took all of ten seconds to find cites of ole Mr. Snow not being "in command of the facts."
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White House press secretary Tony Snow, May 10, 2007: "Keep in mind, benchmarks... are not new. The president talked about them in [the] State of the Union. We talked about them in Amman in November. Secretary Rice put a list of 17 together in a letter to Sen. Levin. So you do need to have metrics."

White House press secretary Tony Snow, Sept. 12, 2007: "No, benchmarks were something that Congress wanted to use as a metric. And we're going to produce a report. But the fact is that the situation is bigger and more complex, and you need to look at the whole picture."
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The White House press corps let it slide, but Comedy Central's Jon Stewart nailed Snow last night for lying. Here's the video.

Stewart explained that Snow "was adamant months ago that the dismissal of these attorneys had nothing to do with politics."

He rolled video of Snow from March 15, saying: "It's pretty clear that these things are based on performance and not on sort of attempts to do political retaliation, if you will."

Stewart: "So anyway, that was three months ago. Three months later, a dozen subpoenas, six hearings, . . . thousands of released e-mails, it turns out that their performances were actually pretty good. And all signs are now pointing to political motivations. I wonder how the White House is going to reconcile this apparent discrepancy?"

Stewart then rolled video from Wednesday's briefing, at which a reporter asked Snow: "At the beginning of this story, the President, you, Dan Bartlett, others said on camera that politics was not involved, this was performance-based, but --"

Snow's reply: "No, that is something -- we have never said that."

Stewart's audience jeered.

"Oh," Stewart concluded, "you will reconcile that by -- LYING!"
Seriously. Less than a minute on Google.
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#26 Jul 16 2008 at 6:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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So no quote, huh?

Not surprising...


While I'm sure you think it's wonderful, I think most people view that sort of sniping in that context as pretty lacking in class. Or at least I would hope most people do. It's a bit sad that partisanship has gotten so out of hand that many people feel they must steadfastly support such a classless act.

Edited, Jul 15th 2008 6:29pm by gbaji


Eh, just checked back now. I can probably find one on YouTube, since a quote wouldn't really give the full deer-in-the-headlights effect. Sadly, I can't do that from work so yeah, no quote. Suck it up, cupcake.

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