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I swear, they're not happy unless they can tie race into everything-- and then only if they can complain about it. If you missed it, Jesse Jackson complained that Barry Hussein Oblackman was talking down to black people.
Seriously, wtf?
Is it because Oblackman is a mulatto instead of a full fledged, 100% negro directly descended from Mississippi slaves? Or is it that once he makes to the White House their stock-in-trade (being held down by The Man) is no longer valid and that makes them nervous?
I have to laugh about this because when he announced his candidacy the black population was quite suspicious of him and his credentials as a "real" black in touch with poor and uneducated blacks-- heh, as if someone like that would ever be elected to high office.
Smash? You seem to have your fingers on the pulse of the Joe "Sequeesha" Average Blackman. Gimme some insight into this chip they carry around on their shoulders about race-- even against other blacks. 'Splain it to a honky please.
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A girl I'm friends with who's mulatto, said it sucks. She's treated black by white people and white by black people. She's my token black friend, unless I'm talking to black people, then she's just another whitey.
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It is interesting. I'd love to see a knowledgeable discussion of power politics in black America, if such a book could be published.
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Why would you assume that Jesse Jackson speaks for all, or even the majority, of the black population?
Alma wrote:
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Clearly Oprah does.
What's bred in the bone will not out of the flesh.
The subject of race is freaking weird with blacks. It's as if they are obsessed with the very thing they claim to despise. For instance, the mayor of New Orleans pretty much has to be a black. It doesn't so much matter how black they are, just as long as they are black. Case in point, before the present mayor there was a guy who had, as I recall, 1/16th negroid blood in him. He looked whiter than white, missing only blond hair and blue eyes and a name like Von Raffenburg, but to the black population of Nawlines, he was acceptable as a politician, especially compared to the "genuinely" white candidate who opposed him. It mattered not what his stance was on anything to do with city functions or services, just that he was black. Hilarious.
Granted, Louisiana isn't maybe the norm, but the subject sends blacks into a tizzy. ****, a bunch of politicians have made a career of race-- Jackson, for one, Sharpton, Chuck Rangel, Marion Barry, and the politician chick in DC who was arrested for trying get into Congressional building without her pass are among a whole slew of people who are amazingly touchy about their and other's blackness.
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Granted, Louisiana isn't maybe the norm, but the subject sends blacks into a tizzy. ****, a bunch of politicians have made a career of race-- Jackson, for one, Sharpton, Chuck Rangel, Marion Barry, and the politician chick in DC who was arrested for trying get into Congressional building without her pass are among a whole slew of people who are amazingly touchy about their and other's blackness.
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Tare wrote:
Clearly Oprah does.
Women too.Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Samira wrote:
It is interesting. I'd love to see a knowledgeable discussion of power politics in black America, if such a book could be published.
Yes, I agree. And let's all be honest, Whitey introduced race in America and made it an issue, tying it to everything like basic civil rights. Race is just a concept invented in the last couple hundred years to justify European power during the era of colonial expansion. Considering Jim Crow laws were struck down only in the 60s and there are still systemic inequities, I'm not sure why we are acting like the US isn't a race based society. White people have benefited from the US being a race based society. We can't all now act like black people are unreasonable for making race an issue.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
Totem wrote:
The subject of race is freaking weird with blacks. It's as if they are obsessed with the very thing they claim to despise.
Well, yeah. It kinda defines them in the larger (white) population, which is certainly cause for resentment. Then there's the usual hierarchical crap that happens in any group, for whatever random reasons.
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knoxsouthy wrote:
The last 50yrs the black population has done everything in their power to force businesses and educational institutions to accept, and finance, them based not on their abilities but on the colour of their skin.
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I challenge anyone here to research what percentage of the black population receives some kind of federal assistance compared to other races.
that black people are still not receiving the same opportunites as us middle-class white folks, perhaps?
You suck at arguing.
Alma wrote:
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its more the media than blacks.
a better question is why YOU are lumping every one with dark skin into one lot with the likes of jesse jackson or the reverand wright?
blacks ARE discriminated against in day to day society in way to many places in this day and age.
lets take YOU for example.
Obama is a respected member of our society who weant out and got a very good education instead of wasting it like Bush did with a "c" average. he is still married to the woman who bore and is raising his kids.
and yet, YOU refer to him as "Oblackman" and then lump him into the likes of jesse jackson and totally ignore his hard earned achievements.
he has earned more respect than you are showing him. and YOU are perpetuating a continued practice of discrimination and racism by not showing him some and by lumping every one with dark skinn in the same pool as jesse jackson.
blacks are not any more touchy than anyone else. it is the media bringing the hype, not the "blacks".
it is YOU however that continues to show little to no respect to a man because of the color of his skinn inspite of the many hard earned accomplishments he EARNED.
mabe YOU are the reason blacks are so touchy?
a better question is why YOU are lumping every one with dark skin into one lot with the likes of jesse jackson or the reverand wright?
blacks ARE discriminated against in day to day society in way to many places in this day and age.
lets take YOU for example.
Obama is a respected member of our society who weant out and got a very good education instead of wasting it like Bush did with a "c" average. he is still married to the woman who bore and is raising his kids.
and yet, YOU refer to him as "Oblackman" and then lump him into the likes of jesse jackson and totally ignore his hard earned achievements.
he has earned more respect than you are showing him. and YOU are perpetuating a continued practice of discrimination and racism by not showing him some and by lumping every one with dark skinn in the same pool as jesse jackson.
blacks are not any more touchy than anyone else. it is the media bringing the hype, not the "blacks".
it is YOU however that continues to show little to no respect to a man because of the color of his skinn inspite of the many hard earned accomplishments he EARNED.
mabe YOU are the reason blacks are so touchy?
In all fairness Totem is baiting around Obama's race because of his political affiliation, nothing more. If the Pubbie candidate were black and the Dem candidate white, race would not be an issue for Totem.
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it doesnt matter.
there is no reason, or excuse to bring race up at all. political affiliation or no affiliation. all it does is prepetuate a stereo type on a public forum
if your black, you are "them".
if one black man does or says something stupid, YOU did it too.
he is us. they are us. we are all one in the same. one of "us" said something stupid. are we all guilty of it? or just those of "us" that have dark skinn?
its prejudice.
its racism.
and if "we" want to progress as a society, "we" need to spread the "we" and not the "us" and "them" mentality to the people around us, to our peers, and to our children.
political affiliation is no excuse for perpetuating racism. there is no excuse for racism. one of the great things about america is the laws and protections apply to EVERYONE. white, black, yellow, or brown. even if there are still way to many people who have the "us" and "them" mentality.
bigotry is tired and on the way out. let it go.
there is no reason, or excuse to bring race up at all. political affiliation or no affiliation. all it does is prepetuate a stereo type on a public forum
if your black, you are "them".
if one black man does or says something stupid, YOU did it too.
he is us. they are us. we are all one in the same. one of "us" said something stupid. are we all guilty of it? or just those of "us" that have dark skinn?
its prejudice.
its racism.
and if "we" want to progress as a society, "we" need to spread the "we" and not the "us" and "them" mentality to the people around us, to our peers, and to our children.
political affiliation is no excuse for perpetuating racism. there is no excuse for racism. one of the great things about america is the laws and protections apply to EVERYONE. white, black, yellow, or brown. even if there are still way to many people who have the "us" and "them" mentality.
bigotry is tired and on the way out. let it go.
"We can't all now act like black people are unreasonable for making race an issue." --Anna
It isn't unreasonable to bear it in mind, but when it is the overriding concern to the obvious determent of any discussion, it is race issues from being fixed. It becomes the ultimate trump card when your point of view and argument is a loser. Can't make it in the business world on your own? Race card! Can't bother to study in school? Throw down the race card! Can't control your own kids and keep them from trouble? Blame the po-po and chuck down the race card! And on and on it goes, keeping people from taking responsibility for their own lives since it's easier to blame your failures, lack of talent, or laziness on some amorphous Entity who is supposedly determined to keep you from succeeding-- and this is not directed solely at blacks, but at anybody who blames others for what they should be responsible for themselves.
And while Mr. Jackson might not speak for all blacks-- despite his insistence he does --it amazes me he would so much as even bring the subject up, considering what Obama is doing is precisely what Jesse claims has been his goal for blacks all along: Equality. It smacks more of jealousy at not longer being relevant more than an actual umbrage at Barry's tone.
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It isn't unreasonable to bear it in mind, but when it is the overriding concern to the obvious determent of any discussion, it is race issues from being fixed. It becomes the ultimate trump card when your point of view and argument is a loser. Can't make it in the business world on your own? Race card! Can't bother to study in school? Throw down the race card! Can't control your own kids and keep them from trouble? Blame the po-po and chuck down the race card! And on and on it goes, keeping people from taking responsibility for their own lives since it's easier to blame your failures, lack of talent, or laziness on some amorphous Entity who is supposedly determined to keep you from succeeding-- and this is not directed solely at blacks, but at anybody who blames others for what they should be responsible for themselves.
And while Mr. Jackson might not speak for all blacks-- despite his insistence he does --it amazes me he would so much as even bring the subject up, considering what Obama is doing is precisely what Jesse claims has been his goal for blacks all along: Equality. It smacks more of jealousy at not longer being relevant more than an actual umbrage at Barry's tone.
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shadowrelm wrote:
there is no reason, or excuse to bring race up at all
Yes there is and you're proving it's validity right now. He's got you all hot and bothered, over nothing.
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Totem wrote:
It smacks more of jealousy at not longer being relevant more than an actual umbrage at Barry's tone.
Could be, could be. Blacks are not immune from jealousy as far as I know. They're kinda like people that way.
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knoxsouthy wrote:
What you won't hear is that many black people actually like living in the ghetto and being taken care of by the govn.
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"and yet, YOU refer to him as "Oblackman" and then lump him into the likes of jesse jackson and totally ignore his hard earned achievements." --shadowrelm
Only because of things like comments from his wife about this (his nomination) being the first thing she's ever been proud of concerning America. His refusal to refute or correct her claim makes it his position too. Let's face it. He lets others say what he cannot for political expediency-- which, by my eyes, makes it his stance as well, just without the balls to admit it.
He also attended and stood by a pastor whose ideas on race were well known, yet it was only after it became a liability did he jettison Rev. Wright. He is friends with a well know terrorist from the 60's. Are these the hallmarks of a person who does what is the right thing before it is politically smart to do so, or someone who does things in reaction to public sentiment, but deep down has sympathy for his acquaitances' and wife's beliefs?
And let's not obscure the fact that the black community didn't cotton to Barry's hard earned achievements at first either. They were highly suspicious of him initially because he doesn't come from their world. There is an implicit double standard at play here.
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Only because of things like comments from his wife about this (his nomination) being the first thing she's ever been proud of concerning America. His refusal to refute or correct her claim makes it his position too. Let's face it. He lets others say what he cannot for political expediency-- which, by my eyes, makes it his stance as well, just without the balls to admit it.
He also attended and stood by a pastor whose ideas on race were well known, yet it was only after it became a liability did he jettison Rev. Wright. He is friends with a well know terrorist from the 60's. Are these the hallmarks of a person who does what is the right thing before it is politically smart to do so, or someone who does things in reaction to public sentiment, but deep down has sympathy for his acquaitances' and wife's beliefs?
And let's not obscure the fact that the black community didn't cotton to Barry's hard earned achievements at first either. They were highly suspicious of him initially because he doesn't come from their world. There is an implicit double standard at play here.
Totem
The fact that Jesse Jackson is an antique tool full of bitter-and-twistedness makes ToUtem's original premise stand out as a mere irrelevance.
From my remote view of US Presidential politics, anyone who isn't an affluent white christian man has every reason to be pissed that the electorate's blinders appear to be fitted permanently at birth.
Hardly surprising since USA only implemented rights of equality a few decades ago, and still gears its entire outlook (national and international) around a male european ethos.
From my remote view of US Presidential politics, anyone who isn't an affluent white christian man has every reason to be pissed that the electorate's blinders appear to be fitted permanently at birth.
Hardly surprising since USA only implemented rights of equality a few decades ago, and still gears its entire outlook (national and international) around a male european ethos.
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And let's not obscure the fact that the black community didn't cotton to Barry's hard earned achievements at first either. They were highly suspicious of him initially because he doesn't come from their world. There is an implicit double standard at play here.
There is no black person hivemind, Totem. You seem like you are just trying to make hay while the sun shines with this one, politically speaking, given Jesse Jackson's comments.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
nobby is right.
it has been the good ole boys club since we kicked the brits out. and america didnt let their prejudice go, they fought for it, had a civil war over it, and assinates or defamed just about any black man who rises to any position of power.
compared to most of europe, we are a culturly backward country.
Obama can take us alot further to where we need to be as a nation. Obama can show the world we are finally growing up. mccain can only maintain the status quo.
at the very least, he has EARNED some respect. it wasnt handed to him becuase of who his father was, or how rich his wife is.
it has been the good ole boys club since we kicked the brits out. and america didnt let their prejudice go, they fought for it, had a civil war over it, and assinates or defamed just about any black man who rises to any position of power.
compared to most of europe, we are a culturly backward country.
Obama can take us alot further to where we need to be as a nation. Obama can show the world we are finally growing up. mccain can only maintain the status quo.
at the very least, he has EARNED some respect. it wasnt handed to him becuase of who his father was, or how rich his wife is.
knoxsouthy wrote:
Nobby,
How many black prime ministers has the UK had?
How many black prime ministers has the UK had?
Much as I hate to agree with virus on anything, it's a fair point if you're gonna call us out-of-touch provincials, Nobs.
Any high ranking UK politicians with Moroccan parents? I'm honestly curious.
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