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#1 Jul 10 2008 at 6:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Governor Bobby Jindal today signed the Sex Offender Chemical Castration Bill, SB 144, authorizing the castration of convicted sex offenders.
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SB 144 by Senators Nick Gautreaux, Amedee, Dorsey, Duplessis and Mount provides that on a first conviction of aggravated rape, forcible rape, second degree sexual battery, aggravated incest, molestation of a juvenile when the victim is under the age of 13, or an aggravated crime against nature, the court may sentence the offender to undergo chemical castration. On a second conviction of the above listed crimes, the court is required to sentence the offender to undergo chemical castration.

This bill also provides that a court may instead order a physical castration instead of the chemical castration. Convicted sex offenders who undergo castration must still serve their full sentence, as their treatment will not affect their sentencing. Under the bill, if a convicted sex offender fails to appear for their chemical castration, they will serve an additional sentence of three to five years.
Castration For Rapists - Yes or No?
Hell yeah. About time.:35 (39.3%)
No, but ONLY because they might be wrongly convicted:30 (33.7%)
No, because it's a bad idea for other reasons aside from the above:24 (27.0%)
Total:89


Edit to fix typo in poll

Edited, Jul 10th 2008 9:36am by Jophiel
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#2 Jul 10 2008 at 6:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Incidentally... "Aggravated crime against nature"?
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#3 Jul 10 2008 at 6:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Couldn't wait for someone else to reply first, so you had to do it? Little horny about this topic are we?



I voted no, for other reason. Aren't most rapes about power and not about the sex itself? What good is castration for stopping that? They just find a new way to hold power over their victims.
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#4 Jul 10 2008 at 6:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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"Yes, your honor. We b'lieve he was aggravated when he done it."

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#5 Jul 10 2008 at 6:42 AM Rating: Good
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RACK it. They only went wrong with the chemical part. Shoulda gone with the rusty nutter, errr, butter knife instead.

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Jophiel wrote:
Incidentally... "Aggravated crime against nature"?
Is this like sheep ********? I didn't even realize that was illegal.

Pretty harsh stuff. Anyone know anything about chemical castration?

Is it reversible?
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Under the bill, if a convicted sex offender fails to appear for their chemical castration, they will serve an additional sentence of three to five years.


Also, given the alternative, 3-5 more years doesn't sound too bad.
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#8 Jul 10 2008 at 6:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Dunno about that, Ugly. Louisiana still has work details out on the roads and what not, I believe. In summer.

In Louisiana.

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#9 Jul 10 2008 at 6:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
I voted no, for other reason. Aren't most rapes about power and not about the sex itself? What good is castration for stopping that? They just find a new way to hold power over their victims.
I went with this too.
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#10 Jul 10 2008 at 6:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's horrifying that this could have made it so far past a sick revenge fantasy. I weep for the direction of society. Who'd have thought that George Orwell would be the next Nostradamus?

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Dunno about that, Ugly. Louisiana still has work details out on the roads and what not, I believe. In summer.

In Louisiana.



I'll dig ditches and clean sewers in Louisiana for an extra 5 years to keep my balls thanks.

Oh, and I voted yes. This is mostly about child rape. Castrate the bastards.

Edited, Jul 10th 2008 10:59am by Yodabunny
#12 Jul 10 2008 at 6:59 AM Rating: Good
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I don't like these types of mandatory sentences. I'd say that you could have the court ask a clinician to assess a person's motivations for their crime, i.e. are they are true pedophiles (attracted to children rather than being motivated by power) though clinicians wouldn't approve of this practice overall, given ethical considerations.

Again, like everything else, people need to live with the reality that there are simple ways of improving things (i.e. ease around reporting, communities being more aware and willing to act when they suspect abuse) but you can't ever stop this crime completely and chemical castration seems motivated out of the delusion that if you have harsher punishments, people will be safer.
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#13 Jul 10 2008 at 7:00 AM Rating: Good
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You guys are being pu55ies about this. The truth is castration is far too easy on the perpetrators of these crimes. The death penalty is a much more appropriate response to such evil.

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#14 Jul 10 2008 at 7:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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Does this fall under cruel and unusual? The vindictive part of me, that thinks of the victims and the lifelong scars they will carry, thinks this is great. But the part of me with justice in mind is horrified by the thought. Granted, wrong convictions will be tougher, since they must do this for the second conviction, not necessarily for the first.

No. It's eye-for-an-eye, and I don't think it's right. A good part of me, however, thinks it's better than having repeat offenders, but not the majority of me.
#15 Jul 10 2008 at 7:02 AM Rating: Good
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Does this fall under cruel and unusual? The vindictive part of me, that thinks of the victims and the lifelong scars they will carry, thinks this is great. But the part of me with justice in mind is horrified by the thought. Granted, wrong convictions will be tougher, since they must do this for the second conviction, not necessarily for the first.

No. It's eye-for-an-eye, and I don't think it's right. A good part of me, however, thinks it's better than having repeat offenders, but not the majority of me.


What makes you think this will have any effect on repeat offenders? This is absolutely punitive, and will do nothing to help society in any way except to give in to our basest, most barbaric instincts under the guise of "the greater good".

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Edited, Jul 10th 2008 11:02am by Nexa
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Commander Annabella wrote:
chemical castration seems motivated out of the delusion that if you have harsher punishments, people will be safer.


If you castrate a repeat child rapist he's going to have a rather difficult time raping children. (Not impossible I know, but the desire will be lessened and there will be no release) Frankly though, I think we should just shoot them and remove the threat entirely.
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Yodabunny wrote:
Commander Annabella wrote:
chemical castration seems motivated out of the delusion that if you have harsher punishments, people will be safer.


If you castrate a repeat child rapist he's going to have a rather difficult time raping children. (Not impossible I know, but the desire will be lessened and there will be no release) Frankly though, I think we should just shoot them and remove the threat entirely.


If you can find one statistic somewhere that suggests that harsher punishments equals less crime, I'd like to see them.
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Yodabunny wrote:
Commander Annabella wrote:
chemical castration seems motivated out of the delusion that if you have harsher punishments, people will be safer.


If you castrate a repeat child rapist he's going to have a rather difficult time raping children. (Not impossible I know, but the desire will be lessened and there will be no release) Frankly though, I think we should just shoot them and remove the threat entirely.


Sorry, you're wrong. A repeat child rapist has a psychological compulsion, you'd have to give them a lobotomy. If it's a repeat child rapist, then the current sentencing guidelines have already become so harsh that they're not going to be out in society after being caught anyway.

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#19 Jul 10 2008 at 7:05 AM Rating: Good
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While on the surface this sounds like a great (and highly satisfying) idea, but its efficacy is subject to question.

I don't have time to do the research right now, but I seem to recall hearing that chemical castration, while reducing the rapist's ability to get an erection, has no effect on the psychological mechanism that creates the compulsion to rape in the first place. They'll try to find a way to get around it with testosterone injections, or they will act out that compulsion in some other way that doesn't require an erection. If this is true, then chemical castration actually could do more harm than good, because it would leave offenders supposedly deemed "safe enough" for probation out in the world with inadequate supervision.

As for physical castration, God help us if someone actually turns out to be innocent afterward. Chemical castration can at least be reversed, physical is forever. I foresee multimillion dollar lawsuits.

Edited, Jul 10th 2008 8:07am by Ambrya
#20 Jul 10 2008 at 7:06 AM Rating: Decent
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It's troubling to me too that many people just assume that this is what the victims and/or victims' families would want. Same with the death penalty.

Most victims want to feel safe, which is never going to happen again regardless of the conviction of their assailant, and to move on with their lives. What they don't need is a continuing media circus. What many of them don't need is the guilt of being the means of another person being put to death.



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Commander Annabella wrote:
If you can find one statistic somewhere that suggests that harsher punishments equals less crime, I'd like to see them.


I don't see this as a catch all preventative measure, I see it as stopping that one rapist from getting any enjoyment out of repeating his actions. That will lessen repeat offenders in the child rape scene, which is enough for me.
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It's troubling to me too that many people just assume that this is what the victims and/or victims' families would want. Same with the death penalty.

Most victims want to feel safe, which is never going to happen again regardless of the conviction of their assailant, and to move on with their lives. What they don't need is a continuing media circus. What many of them don't need is the guilt of being the means of another person being put to death.


I'm not worried about the victim (not that I don't care, there's just nothing I can do about what's already been done), I'm worried about the next victim.
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Samira wrote:
It's troubling to me too that many people just assume that this is what the victims and/or victims' families would want. Same with the death penalty.

Most victims want to feel safe, which is never going to happen again regardless of the conviction of their assailant, and to move on with their lives. What they don't need is a continuing media circus. What many of them don't need is the guilt of being the means of another person being put to death.



Exactly, and you know what REALLY happens when harsher and harsher sentences go into effect people? Lower reporting. You want to know why? Because 9 times out of 10, the offender is someone in the victim's family or a very close family friend. It's already hard enough for someone to report someone they love abusing them, do you really think that they're more likely to if the sentence is that they'll be put to death, castrated, or whatever? Really? This is someone that they love, regardless of what is happening. I can't believe people can be so caught up in their own sick revenge fantasies that they would rather lower the odds of a victim seeking help than give up on disproven, ineffective, barbaric revenge fantasy policy.

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#24 Jul 10 2008 at 7:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yodabunny wrote:
Commander Annabella wrote:
If you can find one statistic somewhere that suggests that harsher punishments equals less crime, I'd like to see them.


I don't see this as a catch all preventative measure, I see it as stopping that one rapist from getting any enjoyment out of repeating his actions. That will lessen repeat offenders in the child rape scene, which is enough for me.


You're just making this up because it sounds good to you. I'm sorry, you're completely incorrect.

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#25 Jul 10 2008 at 7:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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You guys are being pu55ies about this. The truth is castration is far too easy on the perpetrators of these crimes. The death penalty is a much more appropriate response to such evil.

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Locking them up with the general prison population is more appropriate. And cheaper.
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#26 Jul 10 2008 at 7:17 AM Rating: Good
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I watched a documentary a few years back whetre a convicted child molester actually paid for himself to be chemically castrated since he said as much as he was shamed and disgusted by his urges, he felt helpless to resist them.

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