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#1 Jul 08 2008 at 7:38 AM Rating: Good
For the remarks against Berlusconi. They were absolutely spot on.

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The White House has apologised to Italian PM Silvio Berlusconi for a briefing describing him as a political "amateur" who is "hated by many".

The "insulting" biography was included in a press kit distributed to reporters travelling with President George W Bush to a meeting of world leaders in Japan.

He was "one of the most controversial leaders" of a country "known for governmental corruption and vice".

It refers to the Italian prime minister as a man "hated by many but respected by all at least for his bella figura (personal style) and the sheer force of his will".

It says Mr Berlusconi was said to be "regarded by many as a political dilettante (amateur) who gained his high office only through use of his considerable influence on the national media".

Acknowledging the error, White House spokesman Tony Fratto issued an apology.


What error? Berlusconi is arguably the worst Prime Minister in Europe. He spent his first 5 years in office creating laws that would prevent him from being prosecuted for fraud and bribery, and is spending this term demonising and attacking immigrants. He's also famous for having neo-fascists in his cabinet, and employing supermodels as Ministers.

All in all, he's a massive ****. Here are a few quotes from the man himself:

Read The Black Book of Communism and you will discover that in the China of Mao, they did not eat children, but had them boiled to fertilise the fields

I am the Jesus Christ of politics. I am a patient victim, I put up with everyone, I sacrifice myself for everyone

I know that in Italy there is a man producing a film on **** concentration camps - I shall put you forward for the role of Kapo (guard chosen from among the prisoners) - you would be perfect to a German member of the European Parliament.

Italy is now a great country to invest in... today we have fewer communists and those who are still there deny having been one. Another reason to invest in Italy is that we have beautiful secretaries... superb girls

Mussolini never killed anyone. Mussolini used to send people on vacation in internal exile

The West will continue to conquer peoples, even if it means a confrontation with another civilisation, Islam, firmly entrenched where it was 1,400 years ago

A few more can be found here.
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#2 Jul 08 2008 at 7:55 AM Rating: Decent
Yeah, Silvio is quite the character, never saw a prime minister or president insult an entire religion the way he did. (calling Islam the inferior culture for instance, when talks started about Turkey joining the EU I believe)

Silvio's back unfortunately, already trying to continue creating a political immunity for him.
#3 Jul 08 2008 at 7:59 AM Rating: Good
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I'm sure that the history books will say as such of Bush:

"George W. Bush - He called 'em like he saw's 'em*.



*regardless of whether he had complete or accurate information."
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#4 Jul 08 2008 at 8:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'd say "what error?" because it's not as though there was a typo which made an insult or something. Someone deliberately entered that stuff into the press kit.
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#5 Jul 08 2008 at 8:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, Silvio is quite the character, never saw a prime minister or president insult an entire religion the way he did. (calling Islam the inferior culture for instance, when talks started about Turkey joining the EU I believe)

Silvio's back unfortunately, already trying to continue creating a political immunity for him.


Islam is an inferior culture. I have no problem with Muslims at all, but if an entire area of the world can't keep the peace because of cultural issues your culture is inferior to the ones that can.
#6 Jul 08 2008 at 8:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Yodabunny wrote:
Islam is an inferior culture. I have no problem with Muslims at all, but if an entire area of the world can't keep the peace because of cultural issues your culture is inferior to the ones that can.


It might help if other cultures stopped interfering with Islam and trying to put in power those who would support them instead.
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#7 Jul 08 2008 at 8:19 AM Rating: Excellent
Yodabunny wrote:
Islam is an inferior culture. I have no problem with Muslims at all, but if an entire area of the world can't keep the peace because of cultural issues your culture is inferior to the ones that can.


Sorry, what?

This is a gigantic load of ********* First, Islam is a freaking religion, not a culture. Second, most of the areas where Muslims live are peaceful. Third, how small is your history lens? 50 years ago the whole of Europe was slaughtering each other, including putting Jews in trains to be exterminated. Fourth, what the fUck does "keeping the peace" even mean? "Peace" as in invading Iraq? "Peace" as in Rwanda? "Peace" as in Yougoslavia?

Please think back to the major conflicts of the last 20/30/50 years and tell me what proportion were because of Islam. Or do you judge a billion people's "culture" on the basis of 9/11?

Seriously, that's some **** poor reasoning...
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#8 Jul 08 2008 at 8:56 AM Rating: Good
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Certain parts of fundamentalist Islam are very nasty, backward and down right horrid.

You can swap Islam for Christianity, Hinduism or Judaism if you like, and don't get me started on Mormons and Scientologists.
#9 Jul 08 2008 at 9:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
I'd say "what error?" because it's not as though there was a typo which made an insult or something. Someone deliberately entered that stuff into the press kit.


I'm thinking something along the lines of the episode of the West Wing, where the two speech guys are writing a speech about the new VP, and decide to ham it up with comments about his mediocrity, how boring he is, etc, then forget to erase those paragraphs from the speech...

It could happen! ;)
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#10 Jul 08 2008 at 9:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yodabunny wrote:
Zieveraar wrote:
Yeah, Silvio is quite the character, never saw a prime minister or president insult an entire religion the way he did. (calling Islam the inferior culture for instance, when talks started about Turkey joining the EU I believe)

Silvio's back unfortunately, already trying to continue creating a political immunity for him.


Islam is an inferior culture. I have no problem with Muslims at all, but if an entire area of the world can't keep the peace because of cultural issues your culture is inferior to the ones that can.


Islam is not a culture at all. It's a religion. I believe you're referring to Arabic culture.

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#11 Jul 08 2008 at 9:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Sorry, what?

This is a gigantic load of bullsh*t. First, Islam is a freaking religion, not a culture. Second, most of the areas where Muslims live are peaceful. Third, how small is your history lens? 50 years ago the whole of Europe was slaughtering each other, including putting Jews in trains to be exterminated. Fourth, what the fUck does "keeping the peace" even mean? "Peace" as in invading Iraq? "Peace" as in Rwanda? "Peace" as in Yougoslavia?

Please think back to the major conflicts of the last 20/30/50 years and tell me what proportion were because of Islam. Or do you judge a billion people's "culture" on the basis of 9/11?

Seriously, that's some **** poor reasoning...


A religion consists of followers, which is a group of people with commonalities usually based on said religion, that's a culture. And yes it is a weak culture. Is it the only weak culture? No. Am I any better than the people within said culture? Not neccessarily, it would depend on the individual. But the culture as a whole is weak, and yes a few bad apples can make a culture weak.

I think a lot of Africa is full of weak cultures as well.

Oh and I really don't give a sh*t about 9/11, it sucked at the time, it was 7 years ago, get over it. Seriously, it wasn't half as bad as dozens of things that happen around the world every year.
#12 Jul 08 2008 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Islam is not a culture at all. It's a religion. I believe you're referring to Arabic culture.


That would have been a better term to use yes.
#13 Jul 08 2008 at 9:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Yodabunny wrote:
Islam is an inferior culture. I have no problem with Muslims at all, but if an entire area of the world can't keep the peace because of cultural issues your culture is inferior to the ones that can.


It might help if other cultures stopped interfering with Islam and trying to put in power those who would support them instead.


Yes it would. That being said the culture was weak to begin with. If an entire section of your population is afraid all the time, something is wrong with your culture, and from what I understand that has been the state of most Islamic cultures for quite some time.
#14 Jul 08 2008 at 9:51 AM Rating: Decent
Yodabunny wrote:
A religion consists of followers, which is a group of people with commonalities usually based on said religion


The only thing Muslims have in common is that they believe Allah is the only God and that Mohammed is the prophet. That's it. They don't share other religious beliefs, don't share a language, don't share a nationality, don't share a territory.

I really can't see how that's enough to group them as a "culture".

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And yes it is a weak culture.


What on Earth is a "weak" culture? Did it lose in a fight? Should it go the gym? Start taking steroids?

Seriously Yoda... what the fUck?

And if you were referring to the "Arabic culture", then that represents 20% of Muslims worldwide.

Secondly, if you really want to say "my culture is bigger than yours", then the Arabic one is not the best one to pick. A lot of the fundamentals of "our" culture wouldn't even exist anymore if it wasn't for theirs.

You're not interested in running Italy, by any chance?
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#15REDACTED, Posted: Jul 08 2008 at 3:36 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) your as much of an idiot as bush.
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