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#1 Jul 07 2008 at 6:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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I found this interesting. I knew the Pubbie Party was in some disarray, as how could it not be after the biggest expansion of government and executive power in history?

But apparently some pretty well known Conservatives, the traditional small-government, pro-civil liberties types, are endorsing Obama over McCain. While they are on the whole reserving judgment vìs-a-vìs his economic policies, the attitude seems to be a prevailing "Clinton's policies were better than Bush's have been. What the hell, roll the dice."

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"People don't understand that there has always been a small but very significant element of conservatives who have been against the war from day one and who, like me, also hate George Bush and think he's the most incompetent president in American history," said Bruce Bartlett, a supply-side economist who coined the term Obamacons. "The few people who are slavishly pro-Republican, live or die, slavishly pro-Bush like the Weekly Standard crowd, have gotten lot more publicity than they deserve."


The last quoted sentence reminded me of a few people here. Smiley: laugh
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#2 Jul 07 2008 at 9:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Which is kind of funny because you also have Right-wing activists threatening a platform fight at the Convention because they fear McCain isn't enough like Bush.
Washington Post wrote:
Conservative activists are preparing to do battle with allies of Sen. John McCain in advance of September's Republican National Convention, hoping to prevent his views on global warming, immigration, stem cell research and campaign finance from becoming enshrined in the party's official declaration of principles.

McCain has not yet signaled the changes he plans to make in the GOP platform, but many conservatives say they fear wholesale revisions could emerge as candidate McCain seeks to put his stamp on a document that currently reflects the policies and principles of President Bush.
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A platform fight at the convention could disrupt that carefully choreographed effort by highlighting the stark differences in vision for the party separating McCain from some of the GOP's most dedicated activists.

The battle may not be avoidable. The current GOP platform is a 100-page document, and all but nine pages mention Bush's name. Virtually the entire platform will have to be rewritten to lessen the imprint of the president, who has the highest disapproval rating of any White House occupant since Richard M. Nixon.
Now, I'll grant that this is much like the more hyped media stories of upset liberals as Obama tacks center but between this, the Paul protest convention and the media coverage of McCain's birthday right before the convention -- well, it's not how I'd plan it, anyway.

As for Obama, I'm not totally surprised that some 'unusual' people would perfer his economic stances. My understanding is that his chief economics advisor is from the "Chicago School" and much more centrist (or even conservative) than you'd expect.
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#3 Jul 07 2008 at 9:43 AM Rating: Decent
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It's happening on the democratic side as well. Disappointed Hillabusters are saying they'll stay home or vote for McCain over Obama, though I really don't understand why.
#4 Jul 07 2008 at 9:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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Allegory wrote:
It's happening on the democratic side as well. Disappointed Hillabusters are saying they'll stay home or vote for McCain over Obama, though I really don't understand why.


I keep seeing that quoted but I'm not at all sure what the source is. Do you have one?
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#5 Jul 07 2008 at 9:58 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
Allegory wrote:
It's happening on the democratic side as well. Disappointed Hillabusters are saying they'll stay home or vote for McCain over Obama, though I really don't understand why.


I keep seeing that quoted but I'm not at all sure what the source is. Do you have one?
One of the newspaper websites up here is using a yahoo poll. Obviously, our journalists are extremely reputable. Smiley: rolleyes
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#6 Jul 07 2008 at 10:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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Allegory wrote:
Disappointed Hillabusters are saying they'll stay home or vote for McCain over Obama, though I really don't understand why.
More bluster than reality (and it's probably the same on the McCain side as well). Obama's standing among the party faithful is pretty solid which is why he can afford to go centrist. McCain's standing among the GOP faithful is less so which you see in McCain's policy shifts to the right.

I'm not saying that there's no folks on either side who'll cross over. But I don't think that it's a significant number. The folks in Samira's article are more interesting because their reasons for defection are more policy based (as opposed to "Obama stole Clinton's votes in Michigan and his followers are all sexist!!") than because of their raw numbers.

Edited, Jul 7th 2008 1:22pm by Jophiel
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#7 Jul 07 2008 at 4:46 PM Rating: Good
Well, Powell giving Obama his endorsement would certainly help things.

Good article.
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#8 Jul 07 2008 at 8:27 PM Rating: Decent
Powell is about the only modern Republican I do like. After reading a couple of books about him really gave me a pretty solid perspective of the guy.
#9 Jul 08 2008 at 2:21 AM Rating: Good
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