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#1 Jul 05 2008 at 7:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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What's next, Homosexuality tolerance training with "hands on" demonstrations? Seriously, WTF?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1031784/Schoolboys-punished-detention-refusing-kneel-pray-Allah.html

Schoolboys punished with detention for refusing to kneel in class and pray to Allah
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 11:30 AM on 04th July 2008

Two schoolboys were given detention after refusing to kneel down and 'pray to Allah' during a religious education lesson.

Parents were outraged that the two boys from year seven (11 to 12-year-olds) were punished for not wanting to take part in the practical demonstration of how Allah is worshipped.

They said forcing their children to take part in the exercise at Alsager High School, near Stoke-on-Trent - which included wearing Muslim headgear - was a breach of their human rights.

Alsager School, near Stoke, has received furious complaints from parents after two Year 7 boys were punished for refusing to kneel to Allah during a religious studies class

One parent, Sharon Luinen, said: "This isn't right, it's taking things too far.

"I understand that they have to learn about other religions. I can live with that but it is taking it a step too far to be punished because they wouldn't join in Muslim prayer.

"Making them pray to Allah, who isn't who they worship, is wrong and what got me is that they were told they were being disrespectful.

"I don't want this to look as if I have a problem with the school because I am generally very happy with it."

Another parent Karen Williams said: "I am absolutely furious my daughter was made to take part in it and I don't find it acceptable.

"I haven't got a problem with them teaching my child other religions and a small amount of information doesn't do any harm.

"But not only did they have to pray, the teacher had gone into the class and made them watch a short film and then said 'we are now going out to pray to Allah'.

"Then two boys got detention and all the other children missed their refreshment break because of the teacher.

"Not only was it forced upon them, my daughter was told off for not doing it right.

"They'd never done it before and they were supposed to do it in another language."

"My child has been forced to pray to Allah in a school lesson." The grandfather of one of the pupils in the class said: "It's absolutely disgusting, there's no other way of putting it.

"My daughter and a lot of other mothers are furious about their children being made to kneel on the floor and pray to Islam. If they didn't do it they were given detention.

"I am not racist, I've been friendly with an Indian for 30 years. I've also been to a Muslim wedding where it was explained to me that alcohol would not be served and I respected that.

"But if Muslims were asked to go to church on Sunday and take Holy Communion there would be war."

Parents said that their children were made to bend down on their knees on prayer mats which the RE teacher had got out of her cupboard and they were also told to wear Islamic headgear during the lesson on Tuesday afternoon.

Deputy headmaster Keith Plant said: "It's difficult to know at the moment whether this was part of the curriculum or not. I am not an RE teacher, I am an English teacher.

"At the moment it is our enterprise week and many of our members of staff are away.

"The particular member of staff you need to speak to isn't around. I think that it is a shame that so many parents have got in touch with the Press before coming to me.

"I have spoken to the teacher and she has articulately given me her version of events, but that is all I can give you at the moment."

A statement from Cheshire County Council on behalf of the school read: "The headteacher David Black contacted this authority immediately complaints were received.

"Enquiries are being made into the circumstances as a matter of urgency and all parents will be informed accordingly.

"Educating children in the beliefs of different faith is part of the diversity curriculum on the basis that knowledge is essential to understanding.

"We accept that such teaching is to be conducted with some sense of sensitivity."
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#2 Jul 05 2008 at 7:23 PM Rating: Good
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just another example from the failure to separate church and state. Perhaps alos of the private school mentality.
#3 Jul 05 2008 at 7:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Jonwin wrote:
just another example from the failure to separate church and state. Perhaps alos of the private school mentality.

More the latter. The separation of Church and State has ABSOLUTELY nothing, to do with prayer and observance in school. It's been perverted by anti-religious freaks, to include it. Not only that, England doesn't have a 1st Amendment.

Edited, Jul 5th 2008 11:32pm by Kastigir
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#4 Jul 06 2008 at 1:12 AM Rating: Good
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It's the Daily Mail - think 'National Inquirer' edited by Rumsfeld.
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#5 Jul 06 2008 at 1:21 AM Rating: Decent
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1. Two sides to every story, and i very much doubt they got detention for not praying, they probably got detention for spouting the standard Anti muslim bull$hit seem on most pages of the Daily Mail in a class about Islam.

2. I did this exact lesson 19 years ago in RE. Over 4 weeks we roleplayed being each of the four major religions, including garb provided by the teacher and joined in a "Prayer" session for each, we had both an Immam and a Rabbi come into class to tell us about what it mean to be a Muslim / Jew and answer questions.

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Jonwin wrote:
just another example from the failure to separate church and state. Perhaps alos of the private school mentality.


It's a state school, what Americans would call a public school. As for the church and the state, the national religion is Christianity - we follow the Anglican church. However, too many people are scared of offending Islam and that's what allows people like this teacher to get away with that kind of sh*t. Hopefully she'll be kicked out for pulling this stunt.

EDIT: I forgot that this was reported in the Daily ********* Chances are it's being misreported, as usual.

Edited, Jul 6th 2008 5:23am by Leodis
#7 Jul 06 2008 at 1:24 AM Rating: Decent
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teacher to get away with that kind of sh*t. Hopefully she'll be kicked out for pulling this stunt.
Get away with what? Teaching kids that Islam isn't the horrific dangerous religion as portrayed by the Daily Mail?

You need to get out more mate.
#8 Jul 06 2008 at 1:28 AM Rating: Good
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Baron von tarv wrote:
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teacher to get away with that kind of sh*t. Hopefully she'll be kicked out for pulling this stunt.
Get away with what? Teaching kids that Islam isn't the horrific dangerous religion as portrayed by the Daily Mail?

No but making children pray sounds very wrong to me.
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You need to get out more mate.

Yes but it's raining and I left my umbrella at work.
#9 Jul 06 2008 at 1:35 AM Rating: Decent
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No but making children pray sounds very wrong to me.
Roleplaying mock prayers are hardly likely to poison a kids mind.

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Yes but it's raining and I left my umbrella at work.
The weather is indeed most sucky and your removed the need for getting out more with the Edit anyway, go play some WoW no umberela's required for that.
#10 Jul 06 2008 at 1:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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The thing is, since children from Islamic families are excused from praying to God, it seems much like a double-standard to expect children of other faiths to participate in this mock-prayer. It also seems disrespectful to Allah, if he exists, to have children "praying" to him but not meaning it.

I can totally understand having a Rabbi, an Immam, plus whatever other religions call their priests/vicars/etc. come in and give demonstrations, educate and so forth. Even a trip to the local Mosque/Church/Synagogue/temple wouldn't be out of the question, but as long as there's no forced worship.
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Leodis wrote:
The thing is, since children from Islamic families are excused from praying to God,

Yeah, 'cause God's Christian, right kids? Smiley: dubious

Leodis wrote:
I can totally understand having a Rabbi, an Immam, plus whatever other religions call their priests/vicars/etc. come in and give demonstrations, educate and so forth. Even a trip to the local Mosque/Church/Synagogue/temple wouldn't be out of the question, but as long as there's no forced worship.
caution. vehicle reversing.

I'm a devout atheist, but encouaged my kids to take part in lessons like this so they can hate everyone on an informed basis.

And at their school, (30% Muslim), most of the Muslim kids took part in lessons that explained Christian, jewish and other faiths, including roleplay. A few parents (Christian, muzzie & Hindu) withheld their kids from these lessons because they're less interested in their kids' development than maintaining superstitious tradition.

A bit like the Daily mail.
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#12 Jul 06 2008 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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I am aware that UK has no first amendment and that you do have a state religion.
I did misidentify the school as private non state supported school.
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#14 Jul 07 2008 at 4:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Those kids should be kissing the gunners daughter for showing such cultural intolerance and their parents should be fines for instilling such xenophobia into their children.

Public school? If you don't like it; then shell out and send your chave brats to a private school.
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