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#1 Jun 19 2008 at 12:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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One in three IT staff snoops on colleagues.

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One in three information technology professionals abuses administrative passwords to access confidential data such as colleagues' salary details, personal e-mails or board-meeting minutes, according to a survey.


Man...if I had a life, I'd be worried.

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#2 Jun 19 2008 at 12:36 PM Rating: Good
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Nexa wrote:
We already knew Thumb was, so that won't be a shock.

One in three IT staff snoops on colleagues.

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One in three information technology professionals abuses administrative passwords to access confidential data such as colleagues' salary details, personal e-mails or board-meeting minutes, according to a survey.


Man...if I had a life, I'd be worried.

Nexa


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Meh. As long as my IT allows me to keep posting and using Trillian, I don't care.
#3 Jun 19 2008 at 12:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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People hacking into my work e-mail will find out that someone wrote:
Rough estimate for a prairie --
The main things that drive the cost for doing an initial prairie seeding are site prep, seed mix, and erosion control. Assuming minimal site prep (no extensive kill-off of existing vegetation needed, no tree removal, that sort of thing) and assuming straw mulch (no erosion control blanket), I would think $3500 to $4000 per acre would be a good budget.

The other thing the remember about establishing a prairie is that it takes several years for it to really come into its own. While the native seeding is getting established, you need to keep the non-natives (weeds) under control. We usually combine mowing and selective herbiciding -- You mow off the flower heads before they go to seed and you zap different weeds at different times, being careful not to zap the good stuff too. The second growing season -- after the annual cover crop has done its thing but before the prairie is fully going -- is usually the touchiest. If we're talking a highly visible prairie, allowing a budget for additional seeding or enhancement planting the second growing season is a good idea. Plant plugs are generally in the $4 to $5 range, installed, and you can either plant them in selected visible areas (say 18" or so on center) or sprinkle them more widely throughout. By the third or fourth growing season, the prairie is thick enough (with enough duff on the ground) to support a prescribed burn. Then, doing a prescribed burn every year or every other year combined with an occasional herbicide round for particular problem non-natives should keep the prairie in good shape for years.

So for budget purposes -- I would allow 15% to 20% of the installation cost per year for three to 5 years for weed control and if at all possible, allow an additional budget in the second growing season for overseeding/enhancement planting ($10,000 would be plenty).


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#4 Jun 19 2008 at 1:41 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd really love to know the actual questions on "a survey" used by these guys.


Hmmm... A computer security firm saying that they took a survey of some IT folks and OMGZ! one in three snoops! Quick! Call a computer security company to protect us!!!


I've met guys who work at supposed security companies like this. It's their job to drum up business. I'd trust the average IT employee far more then the average guy working for one of those companies. I particularly love some of the quotes I found on this:

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One fairly typical comment being "so I know some personal stuff about my co-workers but who cares? Sales and marketing are constantly making things up about our products. That's so much more dangerous to our company than me knowing how much Viagra the COO ordered last month - okay it's a bit cheeky snooping around other peoples email systems but at least I'm not lying! I also don't trust the board of directors who trump up figures just to please the shareholders and just like politicians only tell us what they want us to know."

Another IT Administrator laughed out loud as he answered the survey, saying: "Why does it surprise you that so many of us snoop around your files, wouldn't you if you had secret access to anything you can get your hands on!"



Never in my entire career in IT, attending dozens of conferences with thousands of other IT people from around the world have I once encountered anyone working at a "senior" level ever said anything remotely like this. However, this does sound exactly like what someone who actually doesn't know what IT people are like might make up if they were trying to scare people into not trusting their IT team.

Course I could just be trying to fool you... ;)
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#5 Jun 19 2008 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Never in my entire career in IT, attending dozens of conferences with thousands of other IT people from around the world have I once encountered anyone working at a "senior" level.


We know.



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#6 Jun 19 2008 at 5:15 PM Rating: Good
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Haha. That was so clever...

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#7 Jun 19 2008 at 5:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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1 in 3? And I thought I was bad at math!
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#8 Jun 19 2008 at 8:09 PM Rating: Good
Uh, I know for a fact that our IT staff snoops on email because we were warned that they would when we were hired. If you're caught sending non business related emails, you get booted out for the day or worse. Happened to one of my coworkers just last week who was forwarding a chainmail (what a bint.)

They also snoop on our desktops using WinVNC. After the second time getting caught surfing Alla, I gave up and now write in a notebook and stick to web surfing on breaks.

#9 Jun 19 2008 at 8:26 PM Rating: Decent
It's a ******** survey designed to sell security "expertise". Nothing more.
#10 Jun 20 2008 at 2:30 PM Rating: Good
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catwho, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
Uh, I know for a fact that our IT staff snoops on email because we were warned that they would when we were hired. If you're caught sending non business related emails, you get booted out for the day or worse. Happened to one of my coworkers just last week who was forwarding a chainmail (what a bint.)

They also snoop on our desktops using WinVNC. After the second time getting caught surfing Alla, I gave up and now write in a notebook and stick to web surfing on breaks.



You could argue that that's all "work related" though, since the purpose is to ensure that you're not using company resources for non-company reasons.

That sort of activity only occurs at smaller businesses though. It's pretty much impossible to do in larger environments. We'd need an IT department about 20x larger then the one we have if we actually had people reading folks emails or connecting to their PCs just to see if they're browsing a website they're not supposed to. At most sites, no one cares what you do with your email and web browser as long as it's not illegal and as long as you're getting your job done.


This is part of why I'd like to see who was actually involved in the survey, and what the exact questions asked were. This is an area that's incredibly easy to make sound worse then it is. If you split it into two questions ("have you ever used your admin privileges to open up someone's email?" and "When doing this, have you ever viewed material that wasn't specific to the job you were doing?"), you could quite easily get a "yes" to both, but at no time is the IT guy saying that his purpose for accessing the email was no work related.

If someone calls me and says that his email isn't working, I might log onto the mail server, and use my root access to edit his mail spool file. Quite often, the header will get corrupted (happens when someone has two email client programs operating on the same spool at the same time). A quick deletion of a couple lines usually clears this up, and he's on his way. However, I'm certainly going to see the top part of some random email the contents of which have *nothing* to do with the work I'm actually doing. If asked whether the information I saw in the email was related to my job, I'd have to answer "no", but nothing I did was in violation of the users privacy expectations.

Just yesterday, I mentioned this thread to a co-worker of mine. He related a story about how he was clearing up some temp data on a system. As part of that process, he was checking some of the files to see what they were (ones that didn't have obvious names). One of those just happened to have payroll information contained within. Oops! Was he authorized to view that payroll info? Absolutely not. Was he supposed to have that information as part of his job? Nope. But he viewed it anyway, not deliberately, but as a consequence of doing what he believed he needed to do in order to fix the machine he was working on.


The point is that if you ask around, you'd actually be hard pressed to find *any* senior level IT guy who doesn't have a story about something he ran across accidentally once. It doesn't mean that they can't be trusted. Quite the opposite. Most serious IT engineers approach their jobs in the same way a priest would. We know we have access to information that others don't. We know we could abuse that access. And we know that if we do our jobs long enough, we will run into private information about people. We take that responsibility very very seriously.


Oh. And we also sign legal forms. Lots and lots of legal forms...
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#11 Jun 20 2008 at 6:55 PM Rating: Decent
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It depends on the intentions. If they're spying for malicious reasons, then ***** that. If they're just bored and curious, go ahead.

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#12 Jun 20 2008 at 11:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Quite the opposite. Most serious IT engineers approach their jobs in the same way a priest would.


What a ludicrous load of horseshit. Unless you meant boy *******? Then it would be closer to the truth.

Most "serious" IT engineers do what everyone else on the planet does when given power, they abuse it.

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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.

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