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#1 Jun 16 2008 at 9:09 AM Rating: Decent
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In the rather more serious and civillised world of cricket this weekend there was a most extordinary piece of action... Kevin Pietersen (England) vs Scott Styris(New Zealand).

... Essentially (for those Americans unwilling to pollute their fragile minds by actually watching footage of a Cricket match) the England batsman set himself up as a right handed batter and then as the bowler was mid action changed around to play left handed and swatted it out of the park.

I was wondering if any baseball player ever attempted anything equally audacious either switching his batting or pitching stance last second to generate all around confusion?

*Edit for Sam's benefit. Smiley: smile

Edited, Jun 16th 2008 2:12pm by tarv
#2 Jun 16 2008 at 9:14 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not sure you're allowed to. I'd have to look it up, but I think you'd be called out for crossing the homeplate. Although, even if you were allowed to, I don't think you'd have to time to reset your stance and get a good swing at the ball.

How fast does a cricket ball come in from the pitcher/bowler?
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#3 Jun 16 2008 at 9:17 AM Rating: Decent
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How fast does a cricket ball come in from the pitcher/bowler?
Scott Styris is a plodding medium pacer so 70-75 mph, i don't think KP would have tried it against the likes of Brett Lee who bowls at 90-95 mph.

As for the time factor, what if he started as the pitcher began to wind up, that would give him enough time to hop over. If you watch the start of the clip he begins to move before the ball is released.

Edited, Jun 16th 2008 1:19pm by tarv
#4 Jun 16 2008 at 9:20 AM Rating: Good
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How fast does a cricket ball come in from the pitcher/bowler?
Scott Styris is a plodding medium pacer so 70-75 mph, i don't think KP would have tried it against the likes of Brett Lee who bowls at 90-95 mph.
Having watched the video now, any baseball player doing that would've stepped on homeplate and been called out. No way you could jump over homeplate and get in your stance quick enough.
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#5 Jun 16 2008 at 9:24 AM Rating: Good
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Baron von tarv wrote:
As for the time factor, what if he started as the pitcher began to wind up, that would give him enough time to hop over. If you watch the start of the clip he begins to move before the ball is released.

Edited, Jun 16th 2008 1:19pm by tarv
Typically, a hitter will begin his swing during the wind up/at release stage. That is to say, he will shift where his weight is.
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#6 Jun 16 2008 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Ugly is correct. Such a move would be an illegal action and an automatic out.

Also, "fragile" and "audacious".

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#7 Jun 16 2008 at 9:41 AM Rating: Good
That is totally ordatious.

I played high school ball with a kid who could pitch with either hand. He wasn't allowed to switch mid-inning, though.
#8 Jun 16 2008 at 9:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Huh. Has there ever been a professional switch pitcher?

Lol switch pitcher.

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#9 Jun 16 2008 at 9:48 AM Rating: Good
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Huh. Has there ever been a professional switch pitcher?

Lol switch pitcher.



There have been a few. In the majors they have to declare which hand they're going to pitch with before each batter. It's tough for me to imagine, seeing as how with my right hand I can throw right around ninety miles per hour and with my left hand I can't throw a ball ten feet.
#10 Jun 16 2008 at 9:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Switch hitting is easier for lefties, apparently. I used to hit left, throw right; so theoretically I could have learned to switch. I was neither good enough nor interested enough to make the effort, though.

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#11 Jun 16 2008 at 9:58 AM Rating: Excellent
My great goal in life is to raise a left-handed son.
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Karma would dictate that he'd have no interest in sports.

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#13 Jun 16 2008 at 10:00 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
Switch hitting is easier for lefties, apparently.


Really? The only reason I can see this being so is because lefties have to deal with so many things that are "geared" right handed that they develop some ambidexterity. Personally, I can't do much of anything with my right hand.
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#14 Jun 16 2008 at 10:04 AM Rating: Good
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Lol switch pitcher.
I could have learned to switch. I was neither good enough nor interested enough to make the effort, though.



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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Samira wrote:
Switch hitting is easier for lefties, apparently.


Really? The only reason I can see this being so is because lefties have to deal with so many things that are "geared" right handed that they develop some ambidexterity. Personally, I can't do much of anything with my right hand.


I think many left handers tend to be closer to ambidextrous than most right handers. Plus, yeah, dealing with a right-hand world, etc.

I have no idea whether there's a causal relationship or even a relationship at all. It could just be an old wives' tale.

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#16 Jun 16 2008 at 10:08 AM Rating: Good
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I have no idea whether there's a causal relationship or even a relationship at all. It could just be an old wives' tale.

I know of many lefties in my parents generation that were semi-ambidexterious. Many said it was because in school, they were slapped for doing anything with their left hands and learned to use their right for most things.
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#17 Jun 16 2008 at 10:11 AM Rating: Good
You get to see the Giants much, Samira?

That ballpark is amazing, and the panhandlers are the most creative I've ever seen. Man I wish there was a team closer to me than Seattle. I can't get drunk and drive four hours.
#18 Jun 16 2008 at 10:13 AM Rating: Decent
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You get to see the Giants much, Samira?

That ballpark is amazing, and the panhandlers are the most creative I've ever seen. Man I wish there was a team closer to me than Seattle. I can't get drunk and drive four hours.


I'm lazy and don't go as much as I could. It is a beautiful park, though, and I love going to games.

I don't notice the panhandlers. Guess I'm just used to shutting them out.
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#19 Jun 16 2008 at 10:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't notice the panhandlers. Guess I'm just used to shutting them out.


The last game I went to, this negro gentleman had a sign reading: "Need five bucks for a hooker, help a brother out". I took a picture of him.
#20 Jun 16 2008 at 10:21 AM Rating: Good
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I don't notice the panhandlers. Guess I'm just used to shutting them out.


The last game I went to, this negro gentleman had a sign reading: "Need five bucks for a hooker, help a brother out". I took a picture of him.


I had a panhandler ask me one time for five bucks so he could go into a club and have a beer. I told him if I had five bucks I'd go.

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#21 Jun 16 2008 at 11:03 AM Rating: Good
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Pietersen is an awesome batsman, and it's entirely reasonable that this South African plays for England on the grounds that his gret grandfather met someone who looked slightly English.

Loved watching those strokes. And under Cricket Law (Cricket has 'laws' not 'rules') it's legal. Also, made the bowler want to crawl under a rock and shrivel. Bonus!

An ambidextrous bowler is allowed to switch from left to right handed, but has to notify the umpire before starting the run-up.

Pity it was only the Kiwis we humiliated.
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It was pride weekend this weekend so we talked alot about pitchers and catchers.
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It was pride weekend this weekend so we talked alot about pitchers and catchers.
In England, an euphemism for homosexualists is "he bats left-handed" Smiley: wink
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Baron von tarv wrote:
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How fast does a cricket ball come in from the pitcher/bowler?
Scott Styris is a plodding medium pacer so 70-75 mph, i don't think KP would have tried it against the likes of Brett Lee who bowls at 90-95 mph.
Having watched the video now, any baseball player doing that would've stepped on homeplate and been called out. No way you could jump over homeplate and get in your stance quick enough.
Why do Ugly's posts all have a big space at the start?

...it's not very appealing to look at.
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#25 Jun 16 2008 at 12:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Baron von tarv wrote:


I was wondering if any baseball player ever attempted anything equally audacious either switching his batting or pitching stance last second to generate all around confusion?


Yes, that's been tried. I don't recall the details of the incident, and can tell you that it was definitely NOT tried after the pitcher had started his motion.

But it is in the rules now that a player must bat from only one side of the plate, unless there is a change of pitchers during his at bat, in which case he can switch to the other side, if he so desires.

Also, there have been ambidextrous pitchers who would pitch right handed to right handed batters and left handed to left handed batters. That too has been proscribed by the rules, and any ambidextrous pitcher must pitch with the same arm for the duration of his appearance.

I could look up the details of the incidents that sparked those rule clarifications, but I'm way too lazy.
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Baron von tarv wrote:


I was wondering if any baseball player ever attempted anything equally audacious either switching his batting or pitching stance last second to generate all around confusion?


Yes, that's been tried. I don't recall the details of the incident, and can tell you that it was definitely NOT tried after the pitcher had started his motion.

But it is in the rules now that a player must bat from only one side of the plate, unless there is a change of pitchers during his at bat, in which case he can switch to the other side, if he so desires.


Yeah. While it's not like I've read the whole MLB rulebook or anything, my understanding is that if the batter leaves the batter's box before the pitcher begins his throw (perhaps even steps on the plate), the pitcher isn't allowed to pitch (ie: you can step back, stretch, grab your crotch, spit, etc, and the pitcher can't toss one in while you're doing it). Once the batter is "set", the pitcher may pitch, at which point the batter can't leave the box. Not sure what the penalty is if he does, but it's a violation of the rules.

I would assume that crossing the plate would be considered leaving the batter's box. I believe, however, that a switch hitter can switch at any point. He just has to step into an "set" into the appropriate batter's box. Point being that you can't "fool" the pitcher into thinking you're batting one way. He's going to know prior to starting his pitch which side you're hitting on.

I just remember from pitching in little league that there were specific rules to the timing of pitchers and batters. The pitcher is allowed to move around (stretch, scratch himself, spit, etc) all he wants. But once he puts a foot on the rubber, he's considered to be starting his throw. At that point, he cannot make any move that looks like he's throwing without actually throwing (exception being if a runner tries to steal a base). His movements are restricted at that point, and he's subject to a penalty (baulk) if he moves incorrectly. So the usual progression is that the pitcher mills about on the mound (scratching and spitting), while the batter is getting himself ready. Once the batter gets positioned in the box and is "set", then the pitcher steps onto the rubber. At that point, he's indicated that he's going to pitch, and must either pitch, or make a clear movement to step off the rubber without pitching (like if he calls a conference with the catcher, wants to talk to the coach, or just wants to scratch himself some more).

If the pitcher steps off the rubber without pitching, the batter is free to also step out of the batter's box, allowing this little dance to continue.

Yeah. Baseball is boring. Not so much as Cricket, but close...
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