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In my distaste for Gaeda, I never went back to listen to the lyrics. Pretty song. Think he's singing about the fifth cylon or is it really supposed to just tie to the hybrid like the video implies?

I always assumed she was talking about Tigh, but it's possible there's a twist here...



I'm thinking they haven't actually found earth. This may just be one more thing on the way (or maybe they'll have some other twist like the 12 colonies were "earth" all along or something...). I think that Kat is the last cylon model (although I could see Ellen as well). It has to be a character who has some significance in the series, and it has to be someone who isn't with the fleet anymore (based on Dianna's statement that only 4 were in the fleet).

I think it's Kat for one main reason. They were much farther along towards the Ionian nebula when she died (she died guiding ships through the radiation cloud blocking their path to the algae planet which was also the Temple of the 5, and was one of the markers to Earth). This means, that if there's some ancient resurrection tech floating around "off the grid" (left over from the original exodus, built by the lords of Kobol, or whatever is meant by "this has all happened before"), she could have been resurrected in some other place (think "ship of lights" from the original series. She may have learned a bunch of stuff about what's really going on, the true nature of the human form cylons (I don't think they're cylons at all, but reincarnations of the 12 lords of Kobol). And she may have access to some very advanced technology now.

It was also right after that event that Starbuck started going nutso and having visions. That could all have been Kat, now living (maybe in some other form) on some ancient super advanced ship or base, using her abilities to try to guide them where they need to go. The hallucination of Leoben as much as admitted that he was actually someone else. Who else would have that close a bond to Starbuck? Certainly not Ellen. This theory could also explain Starbuck's apparent death, the replacement viper with the hidden signal leading them to Earth. It could explain everything we've seen recently.

If there are certain specific spots in the galaxy where ancient markers/beacons/whatever were left behind, through which someone with access to the correct technology could transmit signals (mental signals in this case), it also explains why Starbuck had a strong sense of what to do when in the nebula, but lost it as she moved away. In the same way that the cylons can only transmit their memories for download within a certain range of their resurrection ships, this "ship of lights" type tech may work in a similar way (but is more advanced and able to do more then just download copies of specific people).

Dunno. Just a theory. But if we assume anyone who's a cylon would have been activated in the nebula just as the four were, and we also assume it's a "human" character we've met already, and it's someone who's not currently with the fleet, then we're left with basically 3 possibilities: Billy, Ellen, and Kat. There are other minor characters who meet those criteria, but it wouldn't be much of a twist at all for it to be any of them. And while both Billy and Ellen would be interesting possibilities from a personality perspective, it's harder to fit them into the series of events that followed. They both died too long ago. You'd have to also come up with some other reason some of the other things happened later on, which would make it more complex IMO...


Of course, all of this ignores the possibility that there are actually two more models left. Presumably (if my theory is correct), there's a model for the 13th Lord as well. The question is whether this is already one of the existing models of cylons, and is pretending to be one of them, or whether this person is completely separate from the rest.

Two more interesting factoids on this line of thinking:

Why did the cylons skip the number 7? There are 7 models of cylon: one, two, three, four, five, six, and eight. Seems odd for a group of human forms built by machines to be numbered in such a way, doesn't it? This implies either that they did make 8 models, but something happened to number 7 and they erased it from their collective memories, or there's some numbering system inherent to the models themselves that the cylons have no control over.


Wiki lists the mythological equivalents of the 12 lords of Kobol as these: Aphrodite, Apollo, Ares, Artemis, Asclepius, Athena, Aurora, Hera, Poseidon, Zeus, Isis, and Mithras. This list is compiled from all the various mentions of lords of Kobol, and gives us a nice even 12 names. The problem? There are 6 males and 6 females in the list. Assuming that there is a correlation between the human form "cylons" and the original lords of Kobol, then there should be 6 male and 6 female human models. But there are 7 males and (currently) 4 females. Even if we account for one more female, we're still off by one.

It's possible that I'm just totally off, and there's no correlation at all (although that just seems like a waste of a perfectly good plot twist). But if I'm right, then this implies both that there are two more (bringing the total to 13 as I surmised) *and* they are both female *and* one of the existing male "cylons" is actually a reincarnation of the leader of the 13th tribe.


Or they just didn't pay attention to the sexes of the names they threw out over time... That's certainly possible.

What about Callie, Chief Tyrol's wife? I wouldn't consider her a minor character and her death was more recent.

I was so mad when she got spaced. Loved her character.

Well, according to the last show, Apollo is still considered President even though Madame President is in power again. Sort of like former U.S. presidents retain their title I guess. So technically, the prophecy might mean Apollo is the president who won't live to see earth.



Edited, Jun 21st 2008 5:44pm by Whimsi

I'm totally blanking out on who Kat is. Is she the one who was hooked on stims that Starbuck talks to (pic) just before they land on Earth?

She was communicating with them. They were all in the danm hanger, looking at her, when she said that, and her follow up statement that they should come to the base star to see her. That is communicating.

Yup. She's also the woman in the photograph that Starbuck is looking at on the "wall'o'dead" in one of the scenes following the last jump to Earth (the one where Anders comes up and stands next to her). I just find that they've spent a lot of time focusing on Starbuck's grief over Kat's death then you'd think was normal. It's like everytime there's an introspective moment to be had, there's Starbuck standing in the hall, looking a Kat's picture on the wall. Ok. Maybe "focusing" is the wrong word. But they keep coming back to it, which just seems odd given that other then a handful of episodes, she really was a minor character.

Which is part of why I think its her. She was basically "promoted" out of nowhere to a major part in the middle of the second season, then killed off heroically, and while not mentioned much, there have been constant reminders about her. Just enough to ensure that if she were to pop up again, the audience would remember who she was. While it's certainly possible that the whole storytelling point of the picture on the wall is about Starbuck's emotional state, it just seems odd to essentially create a character just to do that.

Season 4 sucked balls, but finally got really good about halfway through.

The 5th Cylon is Boxley, the kid from the miniseries who just up and disappeared.

He will come with an army of robot dogs to devour the souls of any who stand against him.