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#1 Jun 12 2008 at 1:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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Should Military Pilots be allowed to look like a 1940's movie character?

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RAF pilot wins moustache battle

An RAF fighter pilot has won his battle with the United States Air Force over the size of his handlebar moustache.

Flt Lt Chris Ball, who is on an exchange posting with the USAF in Afghanistan was told to trim his moustache.

The pilot, who is usually based at RAF Lossiemouth, turned to the Queen's Regulations and found the moustache's width did not breach RAF guidelines.

The rules state the moustache should not go below the edge of the mouth.

Despite Flt Lt Ball serving on exchange with the USAF, the RAF still have some say on the attire and appearance of their staff.

The USAF relented and Flt Lt Ball's moustache was left unruffled.


Take that, colonials!
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#2 Jun 12 2008 at 2:10 PM Rating: Decent
Insert humorous remark regarding the name Lt. Balls
#3 Jun 12 2008 at 2:47 PM Rating: Good
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Did they explain to him that it wasn't necessary to keep the bugs killed by his Spitfire's propeller our of his mouth?

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#4 Jun 12 2008 at 2:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Proof if ever you needed it, that commisioned officers are d*cks.
#5 Jun 12 2008 at 5:13 PM Rating: Good
good for him.
#6 Jun 12 2008 at 7:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Baron von tarv wrote:
Proof if ever you needed it, that commisioned officers are d*cks the USAF is the most **** organization the world.



FTFY

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#7 Jun 12 2008 at 9:42 PM Rating: Decent
In defense of the USAF, it's a good idea to be **** about things that fly in the air. If you make a small mistake, people die.

On the other hand, I believe you're supposed to respect other cultures and their rules when working with them.

I do clearly recall that the USAF regulation handbook did say no handlebar moustaches specifically after saying they must be trimmed and not go below the lip. I remember laughing at this silently in my head as I read it while sitting around in basic waiting to sign paperwork. It's probably one of those things that stick out in your mind.

I think most higher ups would have let it go sooner than later to avoid a fiasco such as these headlines. There is always an *** hole though. I'm reminded of the First Sergeant I had when I was stationed in San Angelo.


Edited, Jun 13th 2008 1:43am by ZelgadisXI
#8 Jun 13 2008 at 2:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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ZelgadisXI, Defender of Justice wrote:
In defense of the USAF, it's a good idea to be **** about things that fly in the air. If you make a small mistake, people die.


Yeah, us allies know all about that - thanks.
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#9 Jun 13 2008 at 6:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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ZelgadisXI, Defender of Justice wrote:
In defense of the USAF, it's a good idea to be **** about things that fly in the air. If you make a small mistake, people die.


Yeah, us allies know all about that - thanks.


So, less attention to facial hair, more attention to targeting systems?

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#10 Jun 13 2008 at 7:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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I remember a few years ago, the Canadian Armed Forces, or maybe it was the RCMP, took issues with facial hair (due to Muslims in the force who refused to shave due to religious beliefs). The issue was that with full facial hair, gas masks could not be properly worn and guaranteed to work. I think they lost. That's one time I'd say ***** religious equality and lets look at safety.
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#11 Jun 13 2008 at 8:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Tare wrote:
ZelgadisXI, Defender of Justice wrote:
In defense of the USAF, it's a good idea to be **** about things that fly in the air. If you make a small mistake, people die.


Yeah, us allies know all about that - thanks.
I'm tellin' ya - wings on peeps could solve ALOT of problems.
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#12 Jun 13 2008 at 10:14 AM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch sort of beat me to the response. Facial hair can prevent a tight fight of masks, whether oxygen/gas or other.
However this was definately a case of some idiot trying to push his weight around.
Officer yes, gentleman/woman no.
#13 Jun 13 2008 at 11:28 AM Rating: Default
in the US military, they would have made him shave it off.

has nothing to do with culture or anything else, its purely a safety issue. facial hair can affect the seal around the nose and mouth of the oxygen mask. commerical airline pilots are not allowed to have facial hair for the same reason. if the loose pressure, the mask either fits securely, or a plane load of people plunges into the ground at over 400 mph.
#14 Jun 13 2008 at 11:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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shadowrelm wrote:
its purely a safety issue. facial hair can affect the seal around the nose and mouth of the oxygen mask. commerical airline pilots are not allowed to have facial hair for the same reason. if the loose pressure, the mask either fits securely, or a plane load of people plunges into the ground at over 400 mph.
BullShit.

If sensibly trimmed, it's not about safety, it's about control.
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#15 Jun 13 2008 at 12:06 PM Rating: Default
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If sensibly trimmed, it's not about safety, it's about control.
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it can not extend bewond the corners of a pilots mouth. no facial hair is allowed on the chin. a handle bar? not in this countries military aircraft. here, the only choices he would have faces was shaving it off and flying an aircraft, or growing it as he pleased and flying a desk.
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Nobby wrote:
shadowrelm wrote:
its purely a safety issue. facial hair can affect the seal around the nose and mouth of the oxygen mask. commerical airline pilots are not allowed to have facial hair for the same reason. if the loose pressure, the mask either fits securely, or a plane load of people plunges into the ground at over 400 mph.
BullShit.

If sensibly trimmed, it's not about safety, it's about control.
I don't have a clue about oxegen masks and how important a good seal is for flying, but in my biz, it's essential.

All my folks that don respirators or SCBA's for working at chemical clean up sites have to pass a fit test - at least anually. These days it's computerized, and measures pressure differentials in and out of the mask. Facial hair is the biggest cause of failed fit tests.
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#17 Jun 13 2008 at 12:12 PM Rating: Good
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shadowrelm wrote:
it can not extend bewond the corners of a pilots mouth. no facial hair is allowed on the chin. a handle bar? not in this countries military aircraft. here, the only choices he would have faces was shaving it off and flying an aircraft, or growing it as he pleased and flying a desk.
When the designers of flying masks cannot accommodate an airman's flambouyant moustachios, it's time to break out the white flags and let Chavez or Mugabe take over your HQ.
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#18 Jun 13 2008 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent
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it's not about safety, it's about control.
No, it's about being in the military and doing what you're fUcking well told to do, when you are told to do it.
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