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#1 Jun 05 2008 at 6:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Barry's staying pretty tight lipped about a running mate. But.....
...who do you think will be running alongside Obama in the Presidential election?
NY Sen. Hillary "Hellbeast" Clinton:8 (12.5%)
Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd:4 (6.2%)
Former NC Sen. John Edwards :9 (14.1%)
Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebilius :4 (6.2%)
Ohio Gov. Ted Stickland:1 (1.6%)
Va. Senator Jim Webb:6 (9.4%)
N.M. Gov. Bill Richardson:10 (15.6%)
Pa. Gove Ed Rendell:4 (6.2%)
Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh:0 (0.0%)
Retired Gen. Wesley Clark:7 (10.9%)
Va. Gov. Tim Kaine:1 (1.6%)
other:10 (15.6%)
Total:64
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#2 Jun 05 2008 at 7:04 AM Rating: Good
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I hear Tony Blair is between jobs.
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I can't take credit for it but someone on another forum pointed out that Obama Sebilius would be a perfect name for a Harry Potter villian.
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#4 Jun 05 2008 at 7:09 AM Rating: Good
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#5 Jun 05 2008 at 7:17 AM Rating: Good
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I briefly read this as Indiana Jones, and was immediately disappointed.

I'm voting other: Indiana Jones.
#6REDACTED, Posted: Jun 05 2008 at 8:32 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i voted other.
#7 Jun 05 2008 at 8:35 AM Rating: Decent
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thats a part of the dem vote that is just lost and can not be recovered becuase prejudice is still rampant in this country. alot of hispaics will not vote for him either for the same reason. hispanics are some of the most prejudiced people on the planet. in south america, colombia particularly, they still have a class system. and the darker your skinn, the more you are considered "labor" as opposed to an equal.

that part of the dem vote can not be recovered. its a sad statement about this country, but its a fact the dems have to accept.


Stop thinking punditry is "news".

This is getting beyond stupid. There's absolutely nothing to indicate that any signifigant number of people who voted for Clinton in the primaries aren't going to vote for Obama in the General, regardless of who his VP is.

Tom Daschle and Mark Warner should be on your poll list, unless it's intentionally made from people the media talks about being considered instead of those actually being considered.
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#8 Jun 05 2008 at 8:46 AM Rating: Decent
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hispanics are some of the most prejudiced people on the planet.
Are you hispanic?
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Are you hispanic?
No but he is an idiot, if it makes you feel better.
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Elinda wrote:
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hispanics are some of the most prejudiced people on the planet.
Are you hispanic?


No one holds a candle to the Asians.
#11 Jun 05 2008 at 9:36 AM Rating: Good
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in south america, colombia particularly, they still have a class system. and the darker your skinn, the more you are considered "labor" as opposed to an equal.


Biggest load of ******** I've read in this forum for a long time.

If you're talking about the indigenous people not succeeding as well as the ones from Spanish descent, then it's nothing more than what the blacks face in America, the algerian immigrants in France, or the non-Hans in China. It's not a caste, it's not based on skin colour, it's not institutionised, and it's certainly doesn't prove that "hispanics" are more racists than anyone else on the planet.

Please, stick to the lack of dwarves in AoC.
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#12 Jun 05 2008 at 9:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Please, stick to the lack of dwarves in AoC.


Does Obama get the Dwarf vote?

Also how well does he poll with Elves and can I get a breakdown of poll results for High Elves and Woodelf?

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i voted other.
there is a percentage of the dem population who will not vote for a black man. period. they probably voted for hillary during the primaries, but will not vote for obama.

thats a part of the dem vote that is just lost and can not be recovered becuase prejudice is still rampant in this country. alot of hispaics will not vote for him either for the same reason.
Incidentally, Gallup just released a compliation of their May data. Hispanics prefer Obama over McCain by 33%.
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Obama did not fare well against Hillary Clinton among Hispanics in the 2008 primaries, but the early indications are that he will do well among this increasingly Democratic group in the general election. The May data show Obama with a 62% to 29% advantage over McCain among Hispanics.


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Incidentally, Gallup just released a compilation of their May data. Hispanics prefer Obama over McCain by 33%.
Apparently, they hate rich old white men more than blacks.
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#15 Jun 05 2008 at 10:29 AM Rating: Good
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Incidentally, Gallup just released a compilation of their May data. Hispanics prefer Obama over McCain by 33%.
Apparently, they hate rich old white men more than blacks.
Blacks don't pay them ****** wages to fix their roofs. Smiley: schooled
#16 Jun 05 2008 at 12:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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I can't take credit for it but someone on another forum pointed out that Obama Sebilius would be a perfect name for a Harry Potter villian.


Speaking of which, I was at a stop light about 30 minutes ago and was behind a car with a bumper sticker that said "Republicans for Voldemort". I loled
#17REDACTED, Posted: Jun 05 2008 at 2:15 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This is getting beyond stupid. There's absolutely nothing to indicate that any signifigant number of people who voted for Clinton in the primaries aren't going to vote for Obama in the General, regardless of who his VP is.
#18 Jun 05 2008 at 2:22 PM Rating: Good
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you mean nothing other than the exit polls that said they would vote for mccain if clinton didnt win the nomination dont you?


No, I mean nothing. If the General Election was the day after the primaries closed, the exit poll data would mean something. As it stands it's completely meaningless and in no way indicates people would vote for McCain over Obama because of Clinton.


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#19 Jun 05 2008 at 9:06 PM Rating: Default
No, I mean nothing. If the General Election was the day after the primaries closed, the exit poll data would mean something. As it stands it's completely meaningless and in no way indicates people would vote for McCain over Obama because of Clinton.
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i guess you dont watch CNN. and missed where a majority of the people in pennsylvania who said they would vote for mccain if clinton didnt win the nomination also checked off the race box as being a factor in their decision.

and as much as i disdain their ignorance, you have to admire their honesty about how they feel. its a whole lot better than listening to people i work with come up with lame excuses as to why they are going to vote republican when they are democrats and spent the last 7 years pissing and moaning about what this addministraition has done to our job.

we have come a long way in the last 60 years. but we are not there yet. the tone has changed from when i grew up and all the rednecks i lived near spit out the "n" word in every other sentence. now its, dont sit over there, lets sit over here in resturants. or the look in a cops eye when a brother drives by in a car the cop doesnt think SHOULD belong to him. or the way i get yes sir, no sir, thank you and come again in the check out line, but the black guy behind be gets "thats 20 dollars and 37 cents." and nothing more.

growing up in a prejudice enviroment, and REALIZING it is a prejudice enviroment really lets you sit back and see the subtile differances in the way people treat other people based solely on he color of their skinn. being in miami also opens your eyes to it more, try being whitey and going to a cubano resturaunt. the latin familey who walked in 10 minutes AFTER you got there is half way finnished with their meal before your waiter brings back your drink order. your food is cold, and if you complain, it might be an hour before they fix it. granted, standard service in this city isnt a whole lot better on average in any resturaunt, but you do notice it.

in pensylvania, where my inlaws live, they dont say the "n" word, they just look at you with a patronizing smile if you suggest soneone with black skinn could possibly be anything more than a day laborer. coarse, they think anyone who doesnt wear a dark colored jacket with a tie is a hillbilly, and you should have seen the look on my wifes grandparents faces when i told them i had 5 mango trees in my yard. every one up there knows mango is just a hibilly word for tomato and they grow on vines.

ignorance is alive and well. prejudice with it. latins still have a class system in most of south america. and the darker your skinn, the lower you fit in the class structure. you get someone from spain, colombia, or venezuela and they will tell you people from the islands like peurto rico, santo domingo and the others are labor, not people.

i HOPE we have changed enough to allow someone who fought their way to the top to reap their just rewards reguardless of the color of their skinn. obama would go a long long way toward showing the rest of the world we have finnally grown up. his mere presence would go a long way at the negotiating table with other countries in convinceing them we are not the "good ole boys" club most of the rest of the world thinks we are. the doors he could open are countless.

his mere presence would also inspire the next generation of youth. a guarentee that reguardless of where you came from or the color of your skinn, you can thrive in america based on your skills and effort alone.

he is the only man on the ticket that could take us to the next level. not just the best man, but the ONLY man who can take us there.

if we are ready.........sadly, i dont hold out as much hope as he does about this country.

its a moderate republican for VP or another 4 years of bush.
#20 Jun 05 2008 at 9:52 PM Rating: Good
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i guess you dont watch CNN.


Sure I do, the difference between us is that I understand it.

The rest of your post was worthless. Here's a tip: Consider re-reading your posts and when they have one useful sentence and 1000 words of meaningless ramblings that make you appear to be a bi-polar meth addict, just go with that one sentence.

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#21 Jun 06 2008 at 2:57 AM Rating: Good
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The other day after Obama declared himself the candidate, the pundits on MSNBC were discussing their favorite unofficial poll-populations that they used to kind of get the temperature on an issue. One of them mentioned their area bar, one of them their parents and siblings, and so on. Mine's my staff.

My entire staff, most of who used to back Hillary, is now voting for Obama. That's 20 people, 16 of which are Mexican, one from Guatemala, one from Colombia, a Uruguayan and a Russian. All of them say now that Hillary's out of it, they don't want to continue with McCain because "he'd be like a third term of Bush". One of them mentioned not backing Hillary originally because she tried to cover up how much money she received from pharmaceutical lobbies, and he thinks medicine costs too much. I also heard that he put forth an immigration bill and then largely absented himself from the floor so they don't think he's committed.

This little sample tells you that
a)McCain's taunts notwithstanding, Obama's message is being heard loud and clear, and
b)Latinos care more than just about the candidates' skin tone and when their next taco is. We actually do look at the issues.
#22REDACTED, Posted: Jun 07 2008 at 9:10 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i hope your right. i KNOW there are race issues out there that can not be discounted. but i hope your right. im voting Obama because of his stand on the issues and the fact he called Iraq BS when it wasnt popular to do so and Clinton didnt.
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A lot of the unwillingness to support Obama is coming from Cubans (who don't appreciate his view of the embargo) and Puerto-Ricans, who are Clinton fans all the way and frankly, sort of racist in the sense that they DO subscribe to the skin tone=class viewpoint. Obama won't win Miami because of them but thankfully, not enough Boricuas in NY to make a difference.
#24 Jun 07 2008 at 8:55 PM Rating: Decent
It's not Edwards.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jHjEVBN6L-RrH8z8GByF6tNJO0Og
#25 Jun 09 2008 at 5:43 AM Rating: Default
A lot of the unwillingness to support Obama is coming from Cubans (who don't appreciate his view of the embargo) and Puerto-Ricans,
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actually, the Cubans here in miami are for lifting the embargo. they want to be able to travel to the island and send money to their relatives. its not obamas stand they are against. its prejudice. same with peurto rico.

its something the republicans picked up on too late. thats why this addministraition is trying to lift some of the restrictions toward cuba before they leave to hopefully give mccain a boost on their way out the door.

its prejudice.

hopefully, enough of us, on both sides of the street, have grown up enough to not let race tie our hands from moving foward. hopefully. but prejudice is not hard to find here. and in case you missed it, ALL of the cable news channels have been highlighting their black reporters a whole lot more since obama entered into the picture.

its a sign atleast the cable news people understand its time to grow up. the overwhelming support, even if obama doesnt win, through out the country will in itself will make race a more mainstream issue as opposed to whispering about it at lunch. his mere presence on this stage will open more minds and lift barriers in places through out the world no other candidate can.

we have an opertunity to show the entire world this isnt a big bussiness good ole boys club for the first time in modern history. a chance to put the people on the other side of the barganing table at ease as opposed to getting their hackles up when dealing with us. he can open doors none of the other candidates can.

there is real excietment, not just here, but through out the world from both our allies and enemies about obamas campaign and how well he does here. obama is our litmus test to the world, not just here.

he isnt just the best man for the job, he is the only man for the job. the only one that can take us to the next level. even if he accomplishes nothing in his term in office, the mere fact that he made it to office will open doors that have been barred shut since the day we declared our independance from the brits.

the WORLD is watching obama, and how we deal with him.
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It's not Edwards.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jHjEVBN6L-RrH8z8GByF6tNJO0Og
Yeah, Edwards should not have even made the list. I added him cuz I figured some people wanted to vote for him. I hate to let people down.
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