Is it really THAT big of a deal???Follow

Betrayal of trust, which is why sex with a Prostitute (the ultimate of none intimate sex) is considered worse than A random girl from work.

In attempt to avoid a very unnecessary discussion, who do you believe is saying that "sex does not involve intimacy ever?" If you believe that is what I have been trying to say then some major clarification is required.

Sex can involve intimacy, and in a great many relationships it does, enough to say that sex probably predominantly involves intimacy. What I've tried to make clear is that sex is not intimate, necessarily. It is something people add on, but it is not a fundamental quality of sex.

Several terrible analogies to follow.

Rice is not salty. It's not a property of rice itself. But people often add salt to rice to make it taste better. It's not that rice can never be salty, but that rice is not salty by its own nature.

Inline skating does not have to involve protective gear. People often wear it to prevent or lessen injury, but it is quite possible to skate without protective gear at all. It's flawed to think of inline skating an automatically link the idea to protective gear.

Edited, Jun 2nd 2008 5:00pm by Pride

I've never argued that fact, but anytime I seem to mention sex and intimacy in any way shape or formed sometimes linked I've had people argue against it, hence my question.
I can see it as being an issue of trust. But then, if sex does not equal intimacy on some level for those in a relationship., I then wonder why it would have to be something only they can participate in together? Money issues, I get it. To spend money that someone else worked hard for is a lack of trust. Addiction of drugs, alcohol, gambling can change a person and make them not the same, nor necessarily safe to be around. But sex? If intimacy was attached to sexual intercourse, it makes sense. But if sex holds no intimacy in a relationship, or "shouldn't" then would the person cheated on then be causing more hardship by making such a big deal about it? I mean why would someone want to trust another not to do something that really doesnt mean anything except for physical release? See where I'm coming from?

Again, this is why I said a few times, for the majority of people out there, sex does not always equate intimacy, but it does not mean that sex never equals intimacy. There is no black and white. Never is, never was. And anyone who says otherwise is an idiot, plain and simple.

I agree and I've never said anything that goes against that logic in these posts.

Edited, Jun 2nd 2008 6:35pm by DSD

Then I guess we've been trying to make the same point and are two ships passing in the night. because I think I've said something similiar in my original posts

Samira, I'll thank you to be less personal.

Nexa

That and an "idly ****************** icon.

Nexa

Fine, breastfeeding. Also sex can be accomplished alone. I don't think this is an especially relevant path we are going, but I will continue if you wish to.

I was intending sleep to be the shared process.

Edited, Jun 2nd 2008 7:14pm by Pride

************ can be accomplished alone, sex (for procreation, which is the "biological process we were talking about) cannot.

Honestly, though, we are arguing pretty much the same thing. That the intimacy surrounding sex is intimacy that we assign to it, not something that is inherent.

And remember kids: closed circuit. Otherwise some lame WiFi surfer will have the cops at your door.

Maybe not...but to keep from killing other people?

I know everyone I come in contact with is, whether they realize it or not, better off for my ability to ****** all by my self.

Nexa

I'd go with "perceived vulnerability" but again that's a social construct. I've done things with people I barely knew that made me much more vulnerable to actual harm.

Eating dinner with people gets me off.

Ok not actually, but I wanted to throw it in there.

I think that people need sex to mean more because if you disect just about anything in this world it boils down to some biological process or other. There is no wonder if you take the wonder out of everything. The best way to live life, imo, is to make up a bunch of wonder and insert it liberally into everything. That way you actually have something to get out of bed for.

It is also why I make sure to wear my superman costum when I have sex, nothing better than a man of steel laying down pipe!