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#102 Jun 10 2008 at 12:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Can we all at least agree that "raising taxes on the oil industry so we can fund alternatives" will [...] perhaps lead to gas shortages like we had in the late 70s?
Perhaps it'll lead to unicorn stampedes as well.

If you want to draw a stronger argument, go for it. The one you presented kinda sucks.


Imposing windfall taxes on the oil companies can only result in higher prices at the pump. How about we just start with that one?
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#105 Jun 10 2008 at 12:50 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Can we all at least agree that "raising taxes on the oil industry so we can fund alternatives" will do *nothing* to lower prices at the pump? And will arguably increase them over time, and perhaps lead to gas shortages like we had in the late 70s?


The shortages in the 70s were caused by the price capping on gasoline, not taxation on the oil companies. That's the way economics works--price ceilings result in shortages, price floors result in surplus. Trying to intimate that a tax on the oil industry would result in shortages indicates a complete ignorance of basic high-school level economics.
#108 Jun 10 2008 at 12:55 PM Rating: Good
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Trying to intimate that a tax on the oil industry would result in shortages indicates a complete ignorance of basic high-school level economics.


Remind me again what the cost of gas was prior to the Dems taking control of congress?


...and that has what, exactly, to do with the fact that Gbaji made a completely ignorant intimation that somehow taxation = shortage?

Oh, that's right, cover up the basic stupidity of the position you both share by trying to change the subject. Gotcha.
#109 Jun 10 2008 at 12:59 PM Rating: Good
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I see you're still using the "you're stupid" defense when you have nothing else to say.


You're right. I shoulda added that you are an ignorant cnut as well.
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#110 Jun 10 2008 at 1:02 PM Rating: Good
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And 'cos Im nice, why dont you list all the good things that have happened since the invasion?

You know, because it was such a necessity and all......
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#112 Jun 10 2008 at 1:03 PM Rating: Good
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I'm all for high gas prices, if it creates a higher demand for Mass Transit.

After years of poor funding by State Legislators, the Maryland MTA is finding they can't handle the sudden demand. New users on the Lightrail are not going to continue to use it, if gas prices go down at the rate things are going. MTA's timing on when to close a station for improvements couldn't have come at a worst time. specially since it means they close the line north of the station and using buses to shuttle people between stations. Since the Buses are seen as something only the lower class use to get to work, it's taken gas prices reaching $4.00 to effect the numbers of riders.

Actually in this heat, I rather give my daughter some money for gas then take the bus and metro 6 miles to fill out paperwork that should save us $40 a month on our phone bill. Then there is the fact that my health problems makes having A/C necessary expense. Maybe I should offer to cover pizza and some money for gas, so to get a ride Saturday across town to club house.
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#114 Jun 10 2008 at 1:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Imposing windfall taxes on the oil companies can only result in higher prices at the pump. How about we just start with that one?
I wanted to know about the 1970's style gas shortages.

Edited, Jun 10th 2008 4:08pm by Jophiel
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#115 Jun 10 2008 at 1:09 PM Rating: Good
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Well we have one less homicidal muslim dictator threatening to destroy the US on a weekly basis to listen to and we don't have to worry about him gasing any more kurds with the gas that the US supplied to him.


FTFY Ignorant cnut.

Ps. You do know that Sadaam was a secularist dictator dont you?
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#116 Jun 10 2008 at 1:22 PM Rating: Default
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I love how you guys all leap to attacking the "perhaps lead to this..." part of my statement, while ignoring the important part.


Ignore that if you don't agree with it. It's not a primary part of my argument. Address just this part:

Windfall taxes on the oil companies will result in higher prices at the pumps.

True or false?
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#117 Jun 10 2008 at 1:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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paulsol the Righteous wrote:


Ps. You do know that Sadaam was a secularist dictator dont you?


You must know by now that Middle Eastern means rabid fundamentalist Muslim in the minds of the resident neo-cons, yes?

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#118 Jun 10 2008 at 1:37 PM Rating: Good
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ripaeurbach wrote:

In case you don't see where i'm going with this, which is very likely, why should we listen to the Dems plan right now when everything they've done thus far has only dramatically increased the cost of fuel?


Hmmm, I dunno, maybe because it's better than listening to the ideas of people who are so ignorant about basic economic theory that they don't even know what causes shortages in the first place.
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gbaji wrote:
I love how you guys all leap to attacking the "perhaps lead to this..." part of my statement, while ignoring the important part.

Ignore that if you don't agree with it.
I'm just asking if you can defend it. If not, just say so instead of crying that people are asking about something questionable.

I'm sorry if you think certain parts of your post are off limits just because you don't want to talk about them anymore. Forums don't really work that way.
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#120 Jun 10 2008 at 2:56 PM Rating: Good
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Holy crap. Samira changed her avatar.

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Hey! You're right!


...to what?
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#122 Jun 10 2008 at 2:59 PM Rating: Good
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Holy crap. Samira changed her avatar.


To what, exactly?
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#123 Jun 10 2008 at 3:18 PM Rating: Good
To a technicolour ******, it seems.
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#124 Jun 10 2008 at 4:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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To a technicolour ******, it seems.


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#125 Jun 10 2008 at 4:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
I love how you guys all leap to attacking the "perhaps lead to this..." part of my statement, while ignoring the important part.

Ignore that if you don't agree with it.
I'm just asking if you can defend it. If not, just say so instead of crying that people are asking about something questionable.


What? That prices at the pump will increase as a result of a windfall tax?

My point here is that imposing a windfall tax is the Dem response to issue at hand, and that this wont do anything to prevent the problem that's occurring (high gas prices). You can rant and rail about Republicans, but at least our plans can decrease gas prices going forward if implemented and at the very least wont automatically increase them.

What do the Dems have? How about you defend why you'd vote for a president who's said that he would impose said taxes? If you really think that gas prices are too high and that this is a problem, why not bash Obama and the Dems for their silly proposition on this?

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I'm sorry if you think certain parts of your post are off limits just because you don't want to talk about them anymore. Forums don't really work that way.


It's not that my side suggestion that this may also provoke a fuel shortage is "off limits", but it would be nice if you'd address the whole issue instead of just the one part. Tell you what. I'll support my suggestion about gas shortages if you support the Dems idea of imposing windfall taxes on oil companies.

Deal?
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#126 Jun 10 2008 at 5:22 PM Rating: Decent
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What's killing me is how gas prices are driving everything else up. Food especially. Milk, bread, meat, all that stuff is getting outrageous now. I know it's not just gas prices driving it up, but also the use of corn to experiment with alternative fuels. It's a necessary evil, but I still hate paying for it.

I saw something on PBS the other day where they said the scientists are going to start looking at something other than corn in the future, but damned if I can remember what.
I thought I saw something recently about algae?


It's really too bad congress are mostly asshats. Corn takes about as much energy to make as it puts out, so you break even on cost, except every one grows corn now so the prices of wheat, rice, meat and just about everything goes up. Corn also needs a little gas mixed in to start the combustion process, so you'll never get off gas dependence completely. Sugar ethanol burns without a catalyst, but nowhere in the US can support the demand needed to be a viable alternative to petroleum. Brasil has such a supply, but the dumbasses in congress passes a bill that put very high terrifs on Brasilian based sugars being used in ethanol production. The terrifs far overprice the money we would save using sugar instead of corn as an alternative fuel.

Really I'm suprised more companies haven't looked into biodiesel. My dad just bought a Dodge Ram 3500. With the prices here it took him $75 to fill half the tank(16 gallons). He can pay maybe 10 or $20 for a tank of fuel using biodiesel because restaurants give away all the oil used to make it. Some restaurants even pay you to take it away.
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