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#27 May 30 2008 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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[b]thats almost twice as much as i pay to power my house 24/7 in miami with AC running day and night.

thats about what i pay for my wifes 35k suv every month in car payments. the gasoline now costs more every month than the automobile you buy that usses it.[b/]

and people here tried to rip me a new one a few years ago when i started ******** about this exact situation we are in right now.


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#28 May 30 2008 at 10:33 AM Rating: Good
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I now get through about £65 ($130) per week, (at £1.30 a litre - a shade under $10 per US Gallon)

Whiney fUckers.
So what does that make your gas mileage look like? Or, er, "petrol kilometerage?"
Averaging about 36 miles per US gallon (43mpg UK), but it's mostly urban driving and thrashing it on open roads.
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#29 May 30 2008 at 10:41 AM Rating: Good
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Singdall wrote:
[b]thats almost twice as much as i pay to power my house 24/7 in miami with AC running day and night.

thats about what i pay for my wifes 35k suv every month in car payments. the gasoline now costs more every month than the automobile you buy that usses it.[b/]

and people here tried to rip me a new one a few years ago when i started ******** about this exact situation we are in right now.


going to be a child.

I TOLD YOU SO.


Haha....your wisdom is blinding.
Cite that people here argued against you or gtfo.
#30 May 30 2008 at 10:44 AM Rating: Good
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What's killing me is how gas prices are driving everything else up. Food especially. Milk, bread, meat, all that stuff is getting outrageous now. I know it's not just gas prices driving it up, but also the use of corn to experiment with alternative fuels. It's a necessary evil, but I still hate paying for it.

I saw something on PBS the other day where they said the scientists are going to start looking at something other than corn in the future, but damned if I can remember what.
#31 May 30 2008 at 10:45 AM Rating: Good
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What's killing me is how gas prices are driving everything else up. Food especially. Milk, bread, meat, all that stuff is getting outrageous now. I know it's not just gas prices driving it up, but also the use of corn to experiment with alternative fuels. It's a necessary evil, but I still hate paying for it.

I saw something on PBS the other day where they said the scientists are going to start looking at something other than corn in the future, but damned if I can remember what.
I thought I saw something recently about algae?
#32 May 30 2008 at 10:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Nadenu wrote:
What's killing me is how gas prices are driving everything else up. Food especially. Milk, bread, meat, all that stuff is getting outrageous now. I know it's not just gas prices driving it up, but also the use of corn to experiment with alternative fuels. It's a necessary evil, but I still hate paying for it.

I saw something on PBS the other day where they said the scientists are going to start looking at something other than corn in the future, but damned if I can remember what.


There were a few things I was reading about...but I remember sugar cane for some reason. I think we were actually talking about it on here?

I could look, but meh.

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Nadenu wrote:
What's killing me is how gas prices are driving everything else up. Food especially. Milk, bread, meat, all that stuff is getting outrageous now. I know it's not just gas prices driving it up, but also the use of corn to experiment with alternative fuels. It's a necessary evil, but I still hate paying for it.

I saw something on PBS the other day where they said the scientists are going to start looking at something other than corn in the future, but damned if I can remember what.


Agreed. Food banks are experienced the struggles of non-profits during these times--fewer donations/less funding and more need in the community.

Also, I think that SUV use is problematic. I also feel for people in rural areas who by necessity, drive frequently and for long distance. I remember being in Northern Maine where you couldn't get by doing very much if you weren't willing to drive at least a couple of hours at least once a week. Most of my family drives small cars--ever since the last gas crisis in the 70s (my mom says this is getting there) and the ones in rural Maine and rural Canada still break the bank with their gas prices.

Even in the cities, given the higher costs of living in urban areas, some suburban commuters, who live away from their job to save on money are the most affected and can least afford it.

Edited, May 30th 2008 2:59pm by Annabella
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#34 May 30 2008 at 10:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Nadenu wrote:
What's killing me is how gas prices are driving everything else up. Food especially. Milk, bread, meat, all that stuff is getting outrageous now.

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Sales of canned meat rise as consumers trim food costs.

Are you eating spam yet?
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#35 May 30 2008 at 11:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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Nexa wrote:
There were a few things I was reading about...but I remember sugar cane for some reason. I think we were actually talking about it on here?
Sugar cane is what they largely use in Brazil. Beyond that, we could use sawgrass or Jeruselum artichokes or other non-standard food type crops with better effect than using corn. The biggest issue is probably the hold the corn lobby has on both government parties. Corn was a good stop-gap to get started with because we had a surplus but the combination of higher oil prices and increased demand for ethanol (which is both related and not related) means that using corn is getting progressively less wise.

We also have strong tariffs against importing ethanol at a cost lower than we can produce it domestically. Again, look to the corn lobbies.

Edited, May 30th 2008 2:58pm by Jophiel
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#36 May 30 2008 at 12:26 PM Rating: Good
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Jonwin drove the Geo Metro until the engine died one block from the garage, where it was last work on.

Since then if we need a car, we have either rented or barrow one from family. we live near a bus line that takes Jonwin right to work and can get us to to most places we need, as long as we allow extra time. When we need cat food or litter, and major food items, we ask my daughter if she will take us the next time they go to the store. We give some money for gas, though her boyfriend doesn't always take it. Then I just give it to daughter behind his back.

One way fare on the bus is $1.60; $0.55 for over elderly/Disable.

All day pass is $3.50: $1.20 for elderly/Disable.

Monthly pass for elderly/Disable is $16.50. I don't pay attention to cost of regular monthly pass prices, as it cheaper for Jonwin to pay one way to and from work, or get daily pass if he knows he'll be taking more then 2 buses. He is should have a disable ID and now has the paperwork needed to fill out.

We find not having a car and taking a bus, is well worth the savings in gas, monthly car payments and insurance.

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#37 May 30 2008 at 12:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Well now that the good weather has arrived and I'm willing to commute on my motorcycle everyday, getting 55+mpg, its not costing me much to get to and from work. Its only a 2.5 gallon tank, so I have to fill up after ever other round trip, but its worth it. Even working six days a week, its only costing me about $80 a month to commute.

Take into account that the bike is paid off, and the insurance is absurdly inexpensive as well ($149 for a year of full coverage), and that its just bloody fun to ride, and it makes it even more worthwhile.
#38 May 30 2008 at 12:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Nadenu wrote:
What's killing me is how gas prices are driving everything else up. Food especially. Milk, bread, meat, all that stuff is getting outrageous now. I know it's not just gas prices driving it up, but also the use of corn to experiment with alternative fuels. It's a necessary evil, but I still hate paying for it.

I saw something on PBS the other day where they said the scientists are going to start looking at something other than corn in the future, but damned if I can remember what.
I thought I saw something recently about algae?


http://www.latimes.com/news/local/ny-bzalge0530,0,3756031.story

For example.

Any plant material could be used, in principle, however some are easier then others.
#39 May 30 2008 at 12:58 PM Rating: Default
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Singdall wrote:
[b]thats almost twice as much as i pay to power my house 24/7 in miami with AC running day and night.

thats about what i pay for my wifes 35k suv every month in car payments. the gasoline now costs more every month than the automobile you buy that usses it.[b/]

and people here tried to rip me a new one a few years ago when i started ******** about this exact situation we are in right now.


going to be a child.

I TOLD YOU SO.
Everyone saw this coming, ***.


hmm no you did not, in fact most of you were not even here at the time i started posting about this. goes back to Chirstmas 99 when gas jumped from roughly $1/gal to $1.40/gal over night. (i think it was 99, might of been 02, been a long time either way) and i stated that even $0.40 was a lot of money and that things, like we are seeing today, were going to happen.

like food prices getting out of hand.
price of gas to be more then the average family can afford on their current income.
etc...
#40 May 30 2008 at 12:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Singdall wrote:
[b]thats almost twice as much as i pay to power my house 24/7 in miami with AC running day and night.

thats about what i pay for my wifes 35k suv every month in car payments. the gasoline now costs more every month than the automobile you buy that usses it.[b/]

and people here tried to rip me a new one a few years ago when i started ******** about this exact situation we are in right now.


going to be a child.

I TOLD YOU SO.


Haha....your wisdom is blinding.
Cite that people here argued against you or gtfo.


see my above post, now you GTFO **** ant.
#41 May 30 2008 at 1:07 PM Rating: Decent
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About 150 a month for me in my old *** car with about 27 mpg highway. Good thing i dont have to pay any car payments on this thing. hopefully it lasts me until i can get this.
#42 May 30 2008 at 1:08 PM Rating: Good
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Singdall wrote:
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Everyone saw this coming, ***.


hmm no you did not, in fact most of you were not even here at the time i started posting about this. goes back to Chirstmas 99 when gas jumped from roughly $1/gal to $1.40/gal over night. (i think it was 99, might of been 02, been a long time either way) and i stated that even $0.40 was a lot of money and that things, like we are seeing today, were going to happen.

like food prices getting out of hand.
price of gas to be more then the average family can afford on their current income.
etc...
So if I wasn't posting on Alla, I had no way of seeing this coming? Is that what you're saying? Thats some ego, there, Jackson.
#43 May 30 2008 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
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Nadenu wrote:
What's killing me is how gas prices are driving everything else up. Food especially. Milk, bread, meat, all that stuff is getting outrageous now.

Smiley: spamSmiley: spamSmiley: spam
Sales of canned meat rise as consumers trim food costs.

Are you eating spam yet?


I haven't reached that point yet.

Yet.
#44 May 30 2008 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
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Elne, if I could take a bus I would. But where I live, there is no public transportation. The area's just not large enough.
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Singdall wrote:
in fact most of you were not even here at the time i started posting about this. goes back to Chirstmas 99 when gas jumped from roughly $1/gal to $1.40/gal over night.
So, who exactly are you saying "Toldja so!" to? Illia?
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#46 May 30 2008 at 1:18 PM Rating: Good
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I have no sympathy for people who have been driving SUVs all this time. @#%^ you, seriously. You deserve to pay out the nose and every other *******.


I agree, unless they have 6 kids or something and there's an actual use for a giant bus that can transport many people.


Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but most SUVs I've seen don't transport more people than your regular sedan--around 5 if you pack 'em in. Frankly, it's a mystery to me why anyone buys the damned things, because I've never seen how they are considered to have that much more room. If you've got a big family and have to drive something with 6 cylinders despite astronomical fuel prices, suck it up and get a minivan. I swear to you, your ***** and balls will not, in fact, shrivel and die if you do.

So, yeah, sign me up with the ********** you, SUV drivers, you're getting what you fully and justifiably deserve for not having an iota of ******* common sense" club.
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Yes, but every SUV owner will tell you about the time they had to drive down an untamed valley and ford a river to reach soccer practice or had to move a dining room set which meant they had to own a SUV rather than rent a truck for the afternoon.
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Yes, but every SUV owner will tell you about the time they had to drive down an untamed valley and ford a river to reach soccer practice or had to move a dining room set which meant they had to own a SUV rather than rent a truck for the afternoon.


Take the seats out of my Toyota Sienna and you can haul just about any dining room table you want, though I will confess that it probably won't survive a journey through the mud and wilderness as well as an SUV would.

But on that issue, I'm inclined to agree with the Miller beer ad about SUVs.
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I'm inclined to agree with the Miller beer ad about SUVs.
I prefer the Australian version
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Any plant material could be used, in principle, however some are easier then others.
I was stuck in some office somewhere with only a new-age agriculture magizine to read (can't for the life of me remember where I was), but it talked about a whole bunch of viable plant stuff. Mostly it seemed a high cellulose content was the key for easy conversion to ethanol.

Governemnt programs are just fuckin' it up.

What does Barry say about energy?
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Yes, but every SUV owner will tell you about the time they had to drive down an untamed valley and ford a river to reach soccer practice or had to move a dining room set which meant they had to own a SUV rather than rent a truck for the afternoon.


No, they'll tell you that they're "safer" than small cars. Meaning they'd rather kill your kid when they hit your small car with their barely maneuverable truck they can hardly drive.

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