Does Barry Hussein have a new problem to deal with?Follow

Um... So in other words, they like the US because our leader(s) have correctly identified Achmadinnerjacket as the key problem and opposed him since day one of his administration?

So. Bush was right all along? Hmmm... ;)

Well, no. They like the US despite our current leader which has done all in his power to alienate them. Which is why they hope Obama will win -- they wanna like us but Bush & Co is making it hard for them. You seem to have forgotten to quote this:

Edited, Jun 2nd 2008 3:53pm by Jophiel

Also, given the historic American support and help in seating the Shah of Iran, who was a controversial person in his own right, both autocratic and not unfamiliar with torture, I feel nervous about US involvement in their internal affairs. I remember what happened to the Shah, the multi-factioned opposition that lead to the rise of the fundamentalist Ayatollah and the explicit anti-American sentiment that was in part due to the CIA involvement to unseat Mossadegh and IIRC , b/c he began to nationalize the oil industry.

Oh history, you repeat yourself. And unlike the US, most of the world has a longer historic memory.

PS. People shouldn't underestimate the power of Persian identity, especially in regard to separating themselves from the rest of the middle east and align themselves with the US. Persian and Iranian identity has always sat uncomfortable next and separate from pan-Arab identity (and most Persians/Iranians I've met say that Iranians are not Arab). Part of a point that these sentiments predate this current situation and cannot be necessarily attributed to the current political situation.




Edited, Jun 2nd 2008 5:28pm by Annabella

If the Iranian people were concerned that Obama's diplomacy would legitimize someone they don't care for, it stands to reason that they wouldn't view him as their best chance at bridging the gap between nations. It's not as though the people of Iran aren't following the US election or are unaware of Obama's dipolmacy policies.

More likely, they see Obama as someone who can, along with internal pressure from the people/government of Iran, get Ahmadinejad to take the carrot. Or, if not Ahmadinejad, then whoever replaces him.

I'll hold you to that when it happens!

You're correct. That seems to be contradictory, doesn't it? On the one hand, you've got an article that's primarily about how the Iranian people like us because they dislike their current leadership and we oppose that leadership (the "It's a matter of being drawn to the opposite of what you can't stand" quote).

On the other hand, there's a single speculative statement at the end that says that Iranians "seem" to support Obama because they believe he'll patch things up with Iran.

So which is it? Do they want us to "patch things up" with their leadership? Or do they want us to oppose their leaders and support them perhaps in obtaining better leadership? We can speculate on the nuances of the article author's word choice, but I have a feeling that if you polled Iranians with the question "Do you want the US president to have direct talks with Ahmadinejad", most would say "hell no!".

Um... Maybe Iranians really don't support Obama that much? Or they, like many American's, also think Obama holds different positions then he actually does?



I seriously doubt it. I think that more likely, the article writer took a bit of license with his "seem to support Obama" statement. The entire substance of the article was about how the US's stance against Ahmadinejad is the main reason why Iranians like us, but then ends with a statement that they like Obama? Either that is a false statement, or there's a lot of people in Iran who don't know what Obama has said he'd do. I doubt seriously that any of them think that Obama can sit down with the man and magically "patch things up".

Sigh I feel like Lewis Black. I am agreeing with people I normally wouldnt like Totem and Gbaji.

Its like when Black said "Now Bush has come out supporting Global warming.... as a result I am not sure anymore?" (mostly correct quote =P)

It again doesnt matter I am from the state that has voted McCain numerous times into office, but if HRC doesnt win the ticket I am not supporting Obama period. It is all but over of course.

Current polls have her winning in a landslide and him close but I know not of what I speak.

Also rumors have come out about a Michelle Obama "Whitey Video". I think if HRC had it she would have used it by now. If McCain has it and its true he wont even need Crist to win.

I am not sure if it exists and would tell him to grapple on the Crist VP NOW!!! to win but again if he has this vid and it exists he could grapple on Jeb and win.

I feel bad that the Dems have passed on the most powerful cannidate they had and Obama chose to run now instead of wait until it was "his time". But with McCain I trust our nations future more then Obama.

If I was laying odds on the best result for our nation.

HRC= 8-3 I pay eight for your 3 if we are not better off with her as president 4-8 years from now.

Obama 5-1, I pay five to your one if we are better off in 4-8 years.

McCain 4-1, I pay four to your one if we are not better off in 4-8 years ( his odds are higher based on his age and my distrust of a much more expericened Crist vs Obama, if McCain lives the 1-2 terms I am 3-1)

Sorry I dont bet much but she is a huge favorite on my book. The other two are not and you should get some feel for my confidence in them by that.

If the October tape exists good lord.....

edit-- if hrc had it she would have used it, so
I am like 1 in 99 this tape exists. I probably wasnt that clear on that.

Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 4:04am by flishtaco

haha, he wasn't bragging...he was pointing out that in the time that his great uncle served, there was no support for post traumatic stress disorder for returning soldiers.

Nexa

"So why are you walking for cancer today?"

"well, my mom died of cancer"

"Yeah, ok, enough with the bragging...who cares?"

Supposedly, we were going to see this morning.

I'm about ready to get my lunch and no breaking news stories yet. Keep hopin' though.

Sure. Not from me though.