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#27 May 29 2008 at 6:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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He even said things like, "the family story goes..." and that sort of thing. He was answering a question with a personal anecdote as he understood it.


My uncles told lots of war stories. If someone asked me about them I'd probably repeat them as gospel; I've never bothered to do a check on any of them to make sure they were telling me the dry truth or that I understood what I was told as a child.

If this is the worst you've got he's in pretty good shape.

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#28 May 29 2008 at 8:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Apparently WWII vets aren't amused by conservative bloggers sniffing around them looking to prove they don't exist Smiley: laugh
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#29 May 29 2008 at 8:50 AM Rating: Default
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Ok...I can't believe that people think this "factual" mistake isn't short of just plain lying.

Uncle and Great Uncle are big differences. 98% of U.S citizens have never heard of Buchenwald, but I guarantee many many more know of Auschwitz. (Sadly enough because of movies no doubt.) And don't ask me to ******* cite those numbers.

If he had said my great uncle was at Buchenwald, it would have meant nothing to most of his voters. Now, "my uncle helped liberate Auschwitz" and voila! Story with emotional ties.

Whether he meant it or not, this is a pretty big lie. On par with Hell-beast's "we were under fire" story.
#30 May 29 2008 at 8:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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No, it really isn't. The basic story was true.

Uncle and great uncle are not all that different if you grew up with an extended family. I had great aunts and uncles who were essentially the same age as my aunts and uncles, and to a kid there's really no difference at that point.

But whatever. You need to demonize him, so have at it.

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Uncle and Great Uncle are big differences.
Are they? I have a plethora of extended family aunts and cousins who I simply refer to as "aunt" or "cousin".
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#32 May 29 2008 at 8:56 AM Rating: Default
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I don't need to do anything, people seem to need to defend him more. It's a mistake, certainly not grand perjury like slick willy.

I don't really care, I just honestly can't beleive that "oh it's just a family story" crap. It was a lie, intended or not.
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#34 May 29 2008 at 8:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
NephthysWanderer wrote:
Uncle and Great Uncle are big differences.
Are they? I have a plethora of extended family aunts and cousins who I simply refer to as "aunt" or "cousin".


Umm considering Obama is second hand telling this story from another source, I doubt they were that close.

Seriously, he told a lie on national television. Of course people are going to jump all over this and over-analyze every detail. He's a big boy, he'll be fine.
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Umm considering Obama is second hand telling this story from another source, I doubt they were that close.
If I was that close to my "cousins" and "aunts", I'd probably know exactly how we're related Smiley: laugh
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Who's worried? Totem brought up the OP, we're just responding to it.

Lay off the coffee.

Edited, May 29th 2008 12:00pm by Jophiel
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#36 May 29 2008 at 8:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have close cousins that I refer to as "Aunt" or "Uncle" when speaking to Hannah because I don't expect her to call them "Second Cousin Once Removed Liz", haha...I also call my aunts and uncles "Aunt" and "Uncle" when speaking to Hannah, so that's what she calls them. I think when she gets older, if she were speaking of them casually, she would refer to them as such. Like I said, this wasn't a written speech...he was just answering questions about why he felt about such and such and I don't see any attempt at deception here. I would feel differently if it were a written speech and therefore inherently designed to elicite a specific emotional response.

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#37 May 29 2008 at 9:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
Lies are, by definition, intentional.


Except when they're honest mistakes by filthy liberals, apparently.

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#38 May 29 2008 at 9:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
Lies are, by definition, intentional.


Can be, or
:to create a false or misleading impression

Exactly what he did.

Now let's disect the definition of "create".

/yawn

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I tell Joph Jr. that my cousins are his aunts and uncles and that their children are his cousins because, honestly, I can't be bothered to noodle out exactly what they are and I figure every kid needs more aunts and uncles.
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NephthysWanderer wrote:
Now let's disect the definition of "create".
The fact that you immediately had to go there kinda shows that you already know that's a lame definition to try and prove your point. Smiley: grin

Edited, May 29th 2008 12:04pm by Jophiel
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#41 May 29 2008 at 9:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Samira wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Lies are, by definition, intentional.


Except when they're honest mistakes by filthy liberals, apparently.



Has nothing to do with him being a liberal or whatever. You tell a story that's untrue on national TV, you pay the price. Regardless of party, color, whatever else you want to project out there.
#42 May 29 2008 at 9:04 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
I tell Joph Jr. that my cousins are his aunts and uncles and that their children are his cousins because, honestly, I can't be bothered to noodle out exactly what they are and I figure every kid needs more aunts and uncles.
Your cousins are his second cousins, I think. Ask a Nebraskan, they'd know.
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#43 May 29 2008 at 9:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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NephthysWanderer wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Lies are, by definition, intentional.


Can be, or
:to create a false or misleading impression

Exactly what he did.

Now let's disect the definition of "create".

/yawn



That doesn't obviate intent.

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#44 May 29 2008 at 9:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
NephthysWanderer wrote:
Now let's disect the definition of "create".
The fact that you immediately had to go there kinda shows that you already know that's a lame definition to try and prove your point. Smiley: grin

Edited, May 29th 2008 12:04pm by Jophiel


lol....that or I know where you're going next. You stated that lies are by definition intentional, burden's on you baby.
#45 May 29 2008 at 9:07 AM Rating: Default
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Samira wrote:
NephthysWanderer wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Lies are, by definition, intentional.


Can be, or
:to create a false or misleading impression

Exactly what he did.

Now let's disect the definition of "create".

/yawn



That doesn't obviate intent.



Doesn't make it a requirement either, as it is, "by definition", an important piece.
#46 May 29 2008 at 9:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Samira wrote:
Nexa wrote:
He even said things like, "the family story goes..." and that sort of thing. He was answering a question with a personal anecdote as he understood it.


My uncles told lots of war stories. If someone asked me about them I'd probably repeat them as gospel; I've never bothered to do a check on any of them to make sure they were telling me the dry truth or that I understood what I was told as a child.

As would I. You and I are not running in a hotly contested race for presidential nomination, however, and speaking publically to millions.

I gotta go with something of the version that Obama was talking bravado, said stuff that he shouldn't have as he didn't have the facts on it. He filled in what he supposed might be the case, which is also the 'untruth' that might furter preen his family war-history feathers.

He took a chance and lost. He can't make those kind of mistakes in his next race.

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#47 May 29 2008 at 9:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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It was an off-the-cuff comment citing "family stories".

Whatever. If you think that was a lie, then we're all liars.

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#48 May 29 2008 at 9:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Samira wrote:
It was an off-the-cuff comment citing "family stories".

Whatever. If you think that was a lie, then we're all liars.

I don't think it was a lie. I just think that, being in the position he's in, it was awful risky to be saying something he likely, was unsure about in public. Either keep the family stories for family get-togethers, or fact-check them as you would any other story you're repeating.

I think Obama let the critisms of the right get to him, he got sloppy trying to address them, and now he'll pay.

He's probably learned that lesson though. [:grin:}
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#49 May 29 2008 at 9:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think it would be much more damaging to answer a question like "What is your commitment to getting help for veterans with PTSD?" with, "Let me fact check that and get back to you."

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#50 May 29 2008 at 9:35 AM Rating: Decent
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You can call it whatever you want, it certainly was careless given the situation and position he is in.

#51 May 29 2008 at 9:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Okay, I'll go with careless.

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