Forum Settings
       
« Previous 1 2
Reply To Thread

It's one thing when a videogame does it...Follow

#1 May 27 2008 at 6:29 PM Rating: Good
*****
18,463 posts
...but when your entire class takes teacher-sponsored turns at insulting you and ultimately decide to vote you out of the classroom that's a new low.

Quote:
Port St. Lucie teacher sidelined after letting kindergarten class kick kid out

May 27, 2008
BY COLLEEN WIXON | Scripps Howard News Service


PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. — A kindergarten teacher has been reassigned after she allowed her students to oust a fellow 5-year-old from the classroom because of his disciplinary problems.

Morningside Elementary School teacher Wendy Portillo was removed from classroom duties until further action may be determined, according to St. Lucie County School district spokesman Janice Karst said this week.

Last week, Portillo held a vote in her classroom in which the students "voted out" 5-year-old Alex Barton, who is in the process of being tested for Asperger's Disorder, a type of high-functioning autism, said his mother, Melissa Barton.

After each classmate was allowed to say what they didn't like about Alex the teacher said they were going to take a vote, Barton said. They said he was "disgusting" and "annoying," Barton said.

"He was incredibly upset," she said. "The only friend he has ever made in his life was forced to do this."

By a 14 to 2 margin, the students voted him out of the class.

Barton, who said she is considering legal action, said Alex began the testing process in February for an official diagnosis under the suggestion of Morningside Principal Marsha Cully.

Alex has had disciplinary issues because of his disabilities, Barton said. The school and district has met with Barton and her son to create an individual education plan, she said. A veteran of 12 years of teaching, including nine at Morningside, Portillo has attended these meetings, she said.

Barton said after the vote, Alex's teacher asked him how he felt.

"He said, 'I feel sad,'" she said.

Alex left the classroom and spent the rest of the day in the nurse's office, she said.

Barton said when she came to pick up her son at the school last Wednesday, he was leaving the nurse's office.

"He was shaken up," she said. Barton said the nurse told her to talk with the child's teacher, who told her what happened.

Alex hasn't been back to school since then, and Barton said he won't be returning. He starts screaming when she brings him with her to drop off his sibling at school.

Thursday night, his mother heard him saying "I'm not special."

Barton filed a complaint with the school resource officer, who investigated the matter, said Port St. Lucie spokeswoman Michelle Steele said. But the state attorney's office concluded the matter did not meet the criteria for emotional child abuse, so no criminal charges will be filed, Steele said.
#2 May 27 2008 at 6:54 PM Rating: Decent
Will swallow your soul
******
29,360 posts
What video game does that?
____________________________
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

#3 May 27 2008 at 7:19 PM Rating: Good
*****
18,463 posts
Samira wrote:
What video game does that?
I meant make a kid feel bad--the wii (telling the girl she was overweight).
#4 May 27 2008 at 7:36 PM Rating: Good
*****
14,454 posts
I saw this on Fark the other day and it was one of the few times I got raging mad. I think because I have a child the same age, with difficulties he can not control, and could have been in such a situation. I posted it on a mothers board from around here in NC, and someone linked the schools web page with email addresses to the staff. I sent a scathing email to the principal. I'm sure it will end up in her trash bin, but it felt good to give her a piece of my mind.

yes, I have Mother Bear Rage Smiley: mad

Edited, May 27th 2008 11:36pm by DSD
#5 May 27 2008 at 8:20 PM Rating: Decent
Will swallow your soul
******
29,360 posts
Atomicflea wrote:
Samira wrote:
What video game does that?
I meant make a kid feel bad--the wii (telling the girl she was overweight).


Ah! For a terrible moment I thought there was a "Survivor" video game out there.

____________________________
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

#6 May 28 2008 at 2:55 AM Rating: Good
*****
18,463 posts
Mistress DSD wrote:
I saw this on Fark the other day and it was one of the few times I got raging mad. I think because I have a child the same age, with difficulties he can not control, and could have been in such a situation. I posted it on a mothers board from around here in NC, and someone linked the schools web page with email addresses to the staff. I sent a scathing email to the principal. I'm sure it will end up in her trash bin, but it felt good to give her a piece of my mind.

yes, I have Mother Bear Rage Smiley: mad
Actually, this story made me think of you, and how you posted a while ago about the special needs kid that was in Zavi's class that was making it hard for him to go to school. I have no doubt that it was difficult at times for this teacher to handle this child, and that she got frustrated, but I can't believe that she couldn't come up with something better than the kindergarten equivalent of throwing tomatoes.
#7 May 28 2008 at 3:06 AM Rating: Good
Samira wrote:
Ah! For a terrible moment I thought there was a "Survivor" video game out there.


I'd play it but there are no dwarves :(
____________________________
My politics blog and stuff - Refractory
#8 May 28 2008 at 4:20 AM Rating: Decent
Prodigal Son
******
20,643 posts
This story is pretty horrible. A kindergarten class should not be a democracy.
____________________________
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
#9 May 28 2008 at 4:58 AM Rating: Excellent
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
Quote:
A kindergarten teacher has been reassigned after she allowed her students to oust a fellow 5-year-old from the classroom because of his disciplinary problems.
Seriously, now... reassigned? This woman obviously has no place teaching. I understand that her "reassignment" isn't to a teaching position but the proper place for her right now is an unemployment office.
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#10 May 28 2008 at 5:22 AM Rating: Good
YAY! Canaduhian
*****
10,293 posts
Just another example of the dumbasses out there who have no business teaching.

____________________________
What's bred in the bone will not out of the flesh.
#11REDACTED, Posted: May 28 2008 at 5:49 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Its preparing them for when they go on American idol.[sm]
#12 May 28 2008 at 6:25 AM Rating: Good
Vagina Dentata,
what a wonderful phrase
******
30,106 posts
Jophiel wrote:
Quote:
A kindergarten teacher has been reassigned after she allowed her students to oust a fellow 5-year-old from the classroom because of his disciplinary problems.
Seriously, now... reassigned? This woman obviously has no place teaching. I understand that her "reassignment" isn't to a teaching position but the proper place for her right now is an unemployment office.


I agree. Plus she should have her license revoked. The teacher has a personality disorder. What adult mobilizes a classroom of children to humiliate and exclude a five year old, regardless of their behavior.?
____________________________
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
#13 May 28 2008 at 6:33 AM Rating: Decent
Commander Annabella wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Quote:
A kindergarten teacher has been reassigned after she allowed her students to oust a fellow 5-year-old from the classroom because of his disciplinary problems.
Seriously, now... reassigned? This woman obviously has no place teaching. I understand that her "reassignment" isn't to a teaching position but the proper place for her right now is an unemployment office.


I agree. Plus she should have her license revoked. The teacher has a personality disorder. What adult mobilizes a classroom of children to humiliate and exclude a five year old, regardless of their behavior.?


I'd be willing to take it a step further and label her a criminal. I'm not sure what laws govern this type of behavior, but I'll reference this situation as an example.

Quote:
Lori Drew of St Louis, Missouri was indicted on Thursday on one count of conspiracy and three counts of accessing protected computers without authorisation to obtain information to inflict emotional distress.
#14 May 28 2008 at 6:49 AM Rating: Decent
Will swallow your soul
******
29,360 posts
Yeah, but with whom did she conspire? A room full of five-year-olds?

____________________________
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

#15 May 28 2008 at 6:57 AM Rating: Excellent
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
Samira wrote:
Yeah, but with whom did she conspire? A room full of five-year-olds?
You ever hang around with a group of 5 & 6 year olds? Simply Machiavellian, lemme tell ya.
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#16 May 28 2008 at 6:59 AM Rating: Excellent
Soulless Internet Tiger
******
35,474 posts
She is not smarter than a 5th grader
____________________________
Donate. One day it could be your family.


An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo

#17laviont, Posted: May 30 2008 at 3:01 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I don't think it's that bad. It sounded like an honest attempt to open the channels of communication between peers, and use a fair system of democracy to resolve the proper sequence of action in response to the child's behavioral problems. It's funny, 100 years ago, there was no such thing as autism. They were just called "stupid". They got failing grades just like everyone else who couldn't complete the assignments, and life was simple. If the child's brain is so fsck'd that he can't function in a normal classroom, then put him in the class for 'tards.
#18 May 30 2008 at 3:59 PM Rating: Good
***
3,829 posts
laviont wrote:
If the child's brain is so fsck'd that he can't function in a normal classroom, then put him in the class for 'tards.


Yeah, laviont needs the company...
#19 May 30 2008 at 4:01 PM Rating: Good
Lunatic
******
30,086 posts
Hannah would have been offended at the manipulation and talked the teacher to death like Hannibal Lechter.

____________________________
Disclaimer:

To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.

#20gbaji, Posted: May 30 2008 at 4:24 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Something about whether she still hears the screaming of the lambs, I'm sure... ;)
#21 May 30 2008 at 4:28 PM Rating: Decent
Lunatic
******
30,086 posts

While I think this teacher went overboard, I don't think there's anything wrong with the basic premise of what she was trying to do. It's not ultimately much different then "time outs" or sending kids to detention.


You'd be wrong.

____________________________
Disclaimer:

To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.

#22 May 30 2008 at 4:47 PM Rating: Default
Encyclopedia
******
35,568 posts
Smasharoo wrote:

While I think this teacher went overboard, I don't think there's anything wrong with the basic premise of what she was trying to do. It's not ultimately much different then "time outs" or sending kids to detention.


You'd be wrong.



Er? Wrong how? That it's not much different? The only difference is that instead of the teacher simply sending the child to the nurses office, she decided to have his peers explain to him why he was being sent to the nurses office. Yes. Silly to think that some kids actually respond well when they're made to understand *why* they're being punished...


I agree that it was likely the wrong thing to do with this child, but then I don't know the teacher, or the child, or the mother. For all we know, he doesn't have Asperger's, is just an obnoxious kid of an overprotective mother (perhaps seeking to get him categorized that way to excuse his behavior), who's never been taught that his actions have consequences, and the teacher's actions were spot on. I'm simply looking at the action taken by the teacher in the broadest terms, and on those terms, it's not a horrible method all by itself.


Teachers have to make judgment calls about discipline all the time. I'm simply suggesting that we reserve a bit of judgment in this case since we weren't there.
____________________________
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
#23 May 30 2008 at 4:52 PM Rating: Decent
Lunatic
******
30,086 posts

I agree that it was likely the wrong thing to do with this child, but then I don't know the teacher, or the child, or the mother. For all we know, he doesn't have Asperger's, is just an obnoxious kid of an overprotective mother (perhaps seeking to get him categorized that way to excuse his behavior), who's never been taught that his actions have consequences, and the teacher's actions were spot on.


Look, I don't wan t to get into a child development argument with you (mainly because it'll be so much funnier when Nexa does it tomorrow) but there's never a circumstance where this would be "spot on". If the kid was stabbing other children at recess with a hunting knife, this wouldn't be "spot on".

That aside, for a guy who argues so vehemently for "parental rights" you're taking an awfully awkward position here by stating that there is any circumstance where it might be ok for a teacher to involve my 5 year old kid in publicly shaming another child.
____________________________
Disclaimer:

To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.

#24 May 30 2008 at 5:49 PM Rating: Default
Encyclopedia
******
35,568 posts
Smasharoo wrote:
That aside, for a guy who argues so vehemently for "parental rights" you're taking an awfully awkward position here by stating that there is any circumstance where it might be ok for a teacher to involve my 5 year old kid in publicly shaming another child.



It's not a parental rights issue Smash. The child in question was being disciplined. The question is over the method used. Is it a bad idea to use a student's peers as part of a punishment for behavior in class? And I'm not going to automatically dismiss the concept of having the students of a class each say something about the student in question as a means of showing that student why what he did was wrong. It's a valid teaching method.


There are many who believe that one of the reasons we keep seeing more and more children diagnosed with various syndromes and disorders is because we don't allow peer instruction as much as we used to. Kids don't play with the neighborhood kids like they used to. They don't interact with others their own age in non-structured environments anymore. Thus, they don't learn how to handle themselves around others, and quite possibly don't get how to interact properly, causing them problems when thrust into a school environment.


What this teacher was attempting is no different then what kids would learn naturally if allowed to run free with the other kids as they're growing up. But in today's controlled world, where kids are kept indoors and "safe", they don't ever get to do that. They are never away from supervision. They are rare allowed to interact (even negatively!) with each other. This sort of exercise allows for the kind of frankness that kids usually learn earlier in a still-structured environment. As I've said several times. It's not a bad methodology all by itself. It may very well have been poorly applied and to the wrong child in this case, but the basic concept isn't bad at all.
____________________________
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
#25 May 30 2008 at 6:29 PM Rating: Good
***
3,829 posts
gbaji wrote:
The child in question was being disciplined.



Publicly humiliating a child by egging on his peers to ostracize him is not, and never will be, "discipline."
#26 May 30 2008 at 6:33 PM Rating: Good
Lunatic
******
30,086 posts

It's not a parental rights issue Smash. The child in question was being disciplined. The question is over the method used. Is it a bad idea to use a student's peers as part of a punishment for behavior in class? And I'm not going to automatically dismiss the concept of having the students of a class each say something about the student in question as a means of showing that student why what he did was wrong. It's a valid teaching method.


You're missing the point. It's not invalid because of the impact on the "problem kid" (well it is, but not primarily), it's invalid because of the impact on the *other* kids.


There are many who believe that one of the reasons we keep seeing more and more children diagnosed with various syndromes and disorders is because we don't allow peer instruction as much as we used to.


Believe is a good word to use there as it implies some sort of arbitrary feeling based on nothing.


Kids don't play with the neighborhood kids like they used to. They don't interact with others their own age in non-structured environments anymore. Thus, they don't learn how to handle themselves around others, and quite possibly don't get how to interact properly, causing them problems when thrust into a school environment.


Yeah, they play more video games, too. Maybe it's that. That's a valid argument, right?

What this teacher was attempting is no different then what kids would learn naturally if allowed to run free with the other kids as they're growing up. But in today's controlled world, where kids are kept indoors and "safe", they don't ever get to do that. They are never away from supervision. They are rare allowed to interact (even negatively!) with each other. This sort of exercise allows for the kind of frankness that kids usually learn earlier in a still-structured environment.

Look, I'm with you on the "children aren't made of glass" thing. Really. I'm not of the opinion that instilling self esteem in children by lying to them and shielding them from reality is a good idea. That has absolutely nothing to do with this, however.

What this is simple guided public shaming. The kids are five and six. They haven't developed any sort of sense of autonomy from authority. Do you really think there was any possibility they could have "voted" to retain the kid in the class?

By arguing that this is valid, you're contradicting yourself on numerous other issues. This is "groupthink" at it's very worst. It's "indoctrination". Etc. Etc.


As I've said several times. It's not a bad methodology all by itself. It may very well have been poorly applied and to the wrong child in this case, but the basic concept isn't bad at all.


It's a terrible methodology. There's a reason the military has moved away from this sort of thing during training. It's effective on some people and massively destructive to others. It's damaging to 18 year olds, never mind 5 year olds. It's far more effective to publicly praise achievement and privately punish failure. It's been studied ad infintium in thousands of scenarios.

As a parental rights issue, parents shouldn't be forced to have their 5 year old children used as tools of punishment by the school system. It's not part of education, it imparts no useful skills, and it absolutely has the potential to do damage.

____________________________
Disclaimer:

To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.

« Previous 1 2
Reply To Thread

Colors Smileys Quote OriginalQuote Checked Help

 

Recent Visitors: 372 All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (372)