I've been looking at Piracetam:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracetam
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Piracetam.shtml
In most people it improves memory, helps concentrating and multitasking and will improve your score on an IQ test. Relatively few side affects reported, though there are some of increased blood pressure. And it's only been used for 30 years so there is a chance of long term negative effects that have passed under the radar so far.
Does anyone have any experience of this or know someone who has taken it?
Would you, to help you in your studies or job, if you found out it was otherwise harmless?
if was taking smart drugs, I wouldn't make spelling mistakes in my posts..
Edited, May 27th 2008 6:45pm by Youshutup
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I know a fair amount of poker players who take either one.
They all suck. That doesn't mean the drugs don't work, obviously.
They all suck. That doesn't mean the drugs don't work, obviously.
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Cool article about it in the Economist. They reckon it's inevitable.
I take stupid drugs, so smart drugs would be a welcome change.
I take stupid drugs, so smart drugs would be a welcome change.
I've heard that surgeons have a problem with Provigil, the narcolepsy medication I take. Increased awareness, the ability to stay awake with little side-effects and no dependency issues. Doesn't necessarily increase your IQ, but keeps you awake and energized.
So long as when you quit them you don't have this sudden urge to watch Celebrity Big Brother, they do seem pretty cool. And it's legal so it must be good for you..
I've taken Provigil for some particularly bad night shifts. Worked well until I accidentally took a Lunesta (sleeping aid) instead.
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Wow, I need to get me some of this XD
Out of sheer curiosity, what was the average improvement to IQ test scores?
One of the reports on Erowid said 131 -> 141 in 3 months, not improving or worsening for years after whilst he was taking it. I haven't found any clinical trials or other people who've tried taking one, but still looking..
I've personally tried piracetam and a few of the other stronger racetams. I can't comment on the increased blood pressure or improved IQ test score claims, but they do work as advertised. Which is to say you will see some benefit, but you will not see a massive spontaneous increase in your mental abilities. Memory, thought clarity, focus and...I guess I could refer to it as drive, all received a modest, but noticeable boost when I tried it. And, even though I am generally considered to be a cold person piracetam made me even more emotionally detached.
The only truly negative thing I have to say about the chemical is the effects seem to decrease sharply after a few weeks of regular use. Abstaining for a month or two brings back nearly full effectiveness.
All in all an interesting and worthwhile experience in my mind, but then again I'm a bit of a psychonaut. I feel that experiencing altered states of consciousness can be extremely valuable.
The only truly negative thing I have to say about the chemical is the effects seem to decrease sharply after a few weeks of regular use. Abstaining for a month or two brings back nearly full effectiveness.
All in all an interesting and worthwhile experience in my mind, but then again I'm a bit of a psychonaut. I feel that experiencing altered states of consciousness can be extremely valuable.
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One of the reports on Erowid said 131 -> 141 in 3 months, not improving or worsening for years after whilst he was taking it. I haven't found any clinical trials or other people who've tried taking one, but still looking..
I just can't believe the IQ tests are that accurate. First off, wouldn't you just naturally get a bit better at taking them if you did so constantly? Of course that could be factored out as a normal improvement but I doubt they do. Second, question difficulty must vary from test to test - just the somewhat random stuff you happen to know vs. don't know and random puzzle you just "get" versus "don't get" must fluctuate the score considerably. Of course I know little about modern IQ tests.
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I just can't believe the IQ tests are that accurate. First off, wouldn't you just naturally get a bit better at taking them if you did so constantly? Of course that could be factored out as a normal improvement but I doubt they do. Second, question difficulty must vary from test to test - just the somewhat random stuff you happen to know vs. don't know and random puzzle you just "get" versus "don't get" must fluctuate the score considerably. Of course I know little about modern IQ tests.
IQ tests are purely a measure of cognitive processing power. I won't defend them as being especially credible or meaningful, but a general rule for IQ tests are that any item which requires any [substantial] specific knowledge is invalid. The focus is on one's ability to solve problems and arrive at conclusions. In reality, creativity and effort tend to be greater predictors of success. A high IQ says little about your intelligence or your value, just your potential, and believe me, there are no end to the intelligent wastes of potential that score well on IQ tests, just as there is no shortage of low to moderately intelligent folks who lead very productive, healthy lives.
IQ tests aren't supposed to be considered reliable predictors of success or intelligence. They're correlative at best. A person with a high IQ is "more likely." Throughout history, some of the most revered brilliant minds have been recognized for their intellectual peaks, not their intellectual norms. Even a total numbskull can have one or many moments of inspiration that will be worthy of acclaim.
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