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McCain, aside from the innuendo that Smash keeps trying to smear him with, hasn't shown any evidence of Bill Clintonianism either.
Really? So when he was cheating on his first wife with his current wife, that doesn't count, right? No big deal, married for 15 years, wife stands by you while you recover from terrible physical injury and you start @#%^ing a woman who was 10 year old when you got married. That's integrity right there, isn't it?
It's public record, sport. I don't need to use innuendo.
Edited, May 15th 2008 2:10pm by Smasharoo
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A single, crisp 100 dollar bill. You willing to gamble?
On your arbitrary standard of proof? Absolutely not.
I'm not even sure what could possibly qualify as objective proof at this point. Moviereel of him begging to leave?
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
The relationship with his first wife was damaged beyond repair by the time he spent in emprisonment. While she did stand by him for a period after his return, it apparently couldn't be salvaged. I don't hold her or him responsible for what happened between them.
This wasn't uncommon for returning PoWs. In some cases husbands returned home to find their wives had divorced them in the belief they had been killed and had remarried. Others waited faithfully, but found the other person had changed or had not changed. I don't pretend to understand the pressures, but I do understand how it could happen.
Incidentally, as a trained psychologist my father counseled many many Vietnam vets and some PoWs in their relationships during his time in the Army. He frequently remarked how sad it was that that war took such a toll on families.
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This wasn't uncommon for returning PoWs. In some cases husbands returned home to find their wives had divorced them in the belief they had been killed and had remarried. Others waited faithfully, but found the other person had changed or had not changed. I don't pretend to understand the pressures, but I do understand how it could happen.
Incidentally, as a trained psychologist my father counseled many many Vietnam vets and some PoWs in their relationships during his time in the Army. He frequently remarked how sad it was that that war took such a toll on families.
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So you're saying no objective standard of proof can show McCain lied or exaggerated about his experiences in prison, yet you are willing to say that that is what happened?
I'll bet a large number of former Hanoi Hilton inmates will confirm his story. Again, no question about his integrity in my mind.
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I'll bet a large number of former Hanoi Hilton inmates will confirm his story. Again, no question about his integrity in my mind.
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Incidentally, as a trained psychologist my father counseled many many Vietnam vets and some PoWs in their relationships during his time in the Army. He frequently remarked how sad it was that that war took such a toll on families.
Sure, but if we're going to talk about integrity, cheating on your wife who raised your child while you were gone with a woman literally young enough to be your daughter who coincidentally is from an exceptionally wealthy politically connected family doesn't fit the bill.
A man would have talked it through with his wife and gotten a divorce *first*, not kept her around until he started ******* something better. What McCain did was cowardly and selfish.
It's not an issue for me, but if your argument is seriously that personal integrity matters to you, you're backing the wrong horse. If you want to take the position that it's ok to cheat on one's wife, fine. Apply the standard evenly.
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So you're saying no objective standard of proof can show McCain lied or exaggerated about his experiences in prison, yet you are willing to say that that is what happened?
No, I'm willing to say it'll be an issue late in the General and that it will hurt him significantly.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
"It's not an issue for me, but if your argument is seriously that personal integrity matters to you, you're backing the wrong horse. If you want to take the position that it's ok to cheat on one's wife, fine. Apply the standard evenly." --Smash
I'll get back to you on that after I do some research on McCain. Fair enough?
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I'll get back to you on that after I do some research on McCain. Fair enough?
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Totem wrote:
The relationship with his first wife was damaged beyond repair by the time he spent in emprisonment.
His valor inspires us all.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I'll get back to you on that after I do some research on McCain. Fair enough?
Sure. More importantly, do some research on Cindy Lou. I like the part where she steals Vicodin from the charity she runs supply to feed her addiction. I'm trying to picture what the media reaction would be to Michelle Obama having been addicted to and stealing painkillers, but I can't get the image of Sean Hanity orgasming out of my head.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
:D
I laffed.
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I laffed.
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Smasharoo wrote:
I'll get back to you on that after I do some research on McCain. Fair enough?
Sure. More importantly, do some research on Cindy Lou. I like the part where she steals Vicodin from the charity she runs supply to feed her addiction. I'm trying to picture what the media reaction would be to Michelle Obama having been addicted to and stealing painkillers, but I can't get the image of Sean Hanity orgasming out of my head.
But at least she was proud of her country the whole time! :)
Oh. And while we're on the subject. Don't forget recipegate... That'll be "huge", I'm sure...
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
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Posted: May 16 2008 at 11:35 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Obama will win. even the republicans are sick of the republicans. bill the cat would win if he was running.
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The "he did it because he'd lose" reason is yours, not his. He removed his name from the ballot three months before the MI primary before the election season had even gotten rolling. Clinton was the establishment favorite in every state at the time. By your logic, Obama should have removed his name from every state's ballot and stayed in bed because his chances in Michigan were no worse than his chances in North Carolina or Virginia at the time.
It was at the last minute on the last day possible along with Edwards, Richardson and some others.
I still say he did it to hedge his bet, shortish on cash and told it wont matter and you will lose he removed his name form the ballot about a month before Iowa.
It is still probably his state but in retrospect he played it poorly and allowed the Republicans some leeway where it was assumed there was none.
As to the other it was comepletely legal. I am not doubting that but the fact that he even heavily weighed it by the article means he knew it was aggressive and borderline dirty. I also find it intresting that he had so many people even then to have his "people" take care of it for him.
It was a borderline move, yet of course completely legal, he took it because it assured a win. Horry took a hardish foul on West in the playoffs last night( Spurs vs Hornets) , it was legal and he probably knew the guy had a bad back, but it doesnt change the fact that Horry is very smart and probably knew all this before taking the foul, in a split second he evaluated it and took the option ( he has won 7 championships and played in more playoff games then anyone else ever, by all means he has proven himself as "Bigshot" Bob the player but no one has ever assumed he wears a white hat). Nothing he could get suspended for but still ...
Yes I know another sports analogy but I speak from what I know and am not trying to BS you into thinking I know more or less then I do.
As I recall Obama said in his autobiography that he was using Cocaine and MJ frequently as a youth. Cindy certianly has some baggage, but why is this like street cred for a Democrat and an albatross for him.
Dont get me wrong its big black eye on McCain and one for which my mother has voted against him since it happened.
My father and I view it as the guy is a war hero, and his actions in that were to try and defend his wife something either of us would do if placed in his situation. My big difference with McCain is the full on BJ he gave Bush in 2004 when I wanted rid of Jr.
To be fair my father was Air Force and never lost any planes in Veitnam, albeit he came close a couple of times, and wont talk about those instances very often.
At least no one in this thread is accusing me of being Gbaji =P
Dont get me wrong its big black eye on McCain and one for which my mother has voted against him since it happened.
My father and I view it as the guy is a war hero, and his actions in that were to try and defend his wife something either of us would do if placed in his situation. My big difference with McCain is the full on BJ he gave Bush in 2004 when I wanted rid of Jr.
To be fair my father was Air Force and never lost any planes in Veitnam, albeit he came close a couple of times, and wont talk about those instances very often.
At least no one in this thread is accusing me of being Gbaji =P
flishtaco wrote:
Yes I know another sports analogy but I speak from what I know
In my thinking, the answer is a definite "No". You seem to think otherwise since you keep wanting to paint Obama with a dirty brush for calling her on it.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I dont think a cannidate should be on a ballot without a legal reason to be there yet I dont think a cannidate confident in there ability to win without removing everyone elses name from the ballot would care if they are legal or not.
That would be my big dillema with it. Obama knew it might poll poorly and went forward with it. If Joe the car shack owner wants to forge 700+ signatures to get their name on the ballot to impress the chicks I personally could give a crap. I win on my merits. Intresting that in his first real election, he had agents to represent him in this so he didnt have to get his hands directly dirty also.
I think my problem with it is if you know your going to win ,why even be worried about stooping to this? Why have as your first foray into government a legal team competent enough to beat down the incumbent and other rans? Why be worried about it if your certian in the honor, in making sure that what your doing so has no moral reprecussions?
Maybe I am reading too deeply into this, but the news even biased news like this is never totally true and these are the questions that I come up with as my dumb self.
It smells like backroom financing for the legal team. It smells like old school politics, really what easier way to win then to make sure you are unopposed. Really this is his best arguement for MI neglect that fact of course he removed his name off the ballot all by himself.
I dont doubt he will win the Democrat nomination. I also doubt that his ability to be an agent for change is less then Jimmy Carter's unless the dirtiness implied here is true. Carter's biggest problem imho oppinon is that he would never have been tied to a story like this he didnt know how to be dishonest and mean it.
To get along you have to understand the dirt in politics. To promote real change you also have to be capable of dealing with it. For me if this is a totally true story it actually makes Obama a better cannidate, it means he knows how to dirty himself up to get what he wants done without appearing too dirty. Sure it means he is lying to 70%+ of his backers but Johnson and Clinton knew how to do this and accomplish their goals. It remains to be seen if he is as adept at wearing the black hat when he has too.
Edited, May 18th 2008 4:00am by flishtaco
Edited, May 18th 2008 4:01am by flishtaco
That would be my big dillema with it. Obama knew it might poll poorly and went forward with it. If Joe the car shack owner wants to forge 700+ signatures to get their name on the ballot to impress the chicks I personally could give a crap. I win on my merits. Intresting that in his first real election, he had agents to represent him in this so he didnt have to get his hands directly dirty also.
I think my problem with it is if you know your going to win ,why even be worried about stooping to this? Why have as your first foray into government a legal team competent enough to beat down the incumbent and other rans? Why be worried about it if your certian in the honor, in making sure that what your doing so has no moral reprecussions?
Maybe I am reading too deeply into this, but the news even biased news like this is never totally true and these are the questions that I come up with as my dumb self.
It smells like backroom financing for the legal team. It smells like old school politics, really what easier way to win then to make sure you are unopposed. Really this is his best arguement for MI neglect that fact of course he removed his name off the ballot all by himself.
I dont doubt he will win the Democrat nomination. I also doubt that his ability to be an agent for change is less then Jimmy Carter's unless the dirtiness implied here is true. Carter's biggest problem imho oppinon is that he would never have been tied to a story like this he didnt know how to be dishonest and mean it.
To get along you have to understand the dirt in politics. To promote real change you also have to be capable of dealing with it. For me if this is a totally true story it actually makes Obama a better cannidate, it means he knows how to dirty himself up to get what he wants done without appearing too dirty. Sure it means he is lying to 70%+ of his backers but Johnson and Clinton knew how to do this and accomplish their goals. It remains to be seen if he is as adept at wearing the black hat when he has too.
Edited, May 18th 2008 4:00am by flishtaco
Edited, May 18th 2008 4:01am by flishtaco
flishtaco wrote:
I dont think a cannidate should be on a ballot without a legal reason to be there
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yet I dont think a cannidate confident in there ability to win without removing everyone elses name from the ballot would care if they are legal or not.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
fishtaco wrote:
As I recall Obama said in his autobiography that he was using Cocaine and MJ frequently as a youth. Cindy certianly has some baggage, but why is this like street cred for a Democrat and an albatross for him.
Wait, what? Obama was doing cocaine with McCain's wife?
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Lines off the crack of her a$$ - true story.
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inserthere wrote:
Samy,
I would expect no less. Unfortunately for Obama he isn't a highly decorated war hero.
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McCain is cozy with a foaming maniac who blames Hurricane Katrina on gays. I'd say Obama is in better shape, frankly.
I would expect no less. Unfortunately for Obama he isn't a highly decorated war hero.
Decorated war heroes aren't doing so well, even when running against people who avoided service in wartime:
Bush Sr. lost to Clinton.
Dole lost to Clinton.
Kerry lost to Bush Jr.
I'm not saying it should not matter, or that it did not matter - simply that in recent history it doesn't seem to have been a decisive factor.
inserthere wrote:
Does this include perjury?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I'm not saying it should not matter
I am. There couldn't be anything *less* important to being President.
Unless of course it's a Democratic war hero. Then it's crucially important.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
Less important to people who despise the military and everything it stands for.
Right, like I said. It's only important if it's a Democrat. Republicans despise the military, and just see them as free muscle for their investment concerns.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
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