I live in NC and voted for the black guy...Follow

Bad judgment? About what? He accepted campaign donations in accordance with the campaign finance rules. He did nothing different then every other senator and representative in congress. His only mistake was that one of the many businesses he received funding from later went bankrupt, and it turned out that some other members of congress (three democrats in particular) acted inappropriately in order to try to benefit the business in question.

But McCain didn't. That's the point. It's not a violation of campaign rules to accept donations. It's only a violation if you return that favor by using your position to direct some specific favors of your own back to the same person or entity (trading taxpayer money for campaign money in effect).


It's going to be pretty hard to point the finger at McCain, when both Obama and Clinton are actively engaging in exactly the sort of thing he did 20 years ago that got him in trouble. Don't you think?

Of course it will. You're delusional if you think otherwise.

No one is going to say "Who cares if McCain was a POW? He did THIS!!". They're just going to say "He did THIS!!". And McCain had better have a better response for it than "POW POW POW POW" or else he's going to wind up like 9iu11ani.

OJ was brought to trial though. There was sufficient evidence to indicate a crime had been committed by him. There was zero evidence indicating McCain did anything wrong. McCain was investigated purely because he was one of 5 members of congress who had received campaign donations from the business in question.

To follow your analogy, McCain was "involved" in about the same way Kato Kaelin was. He was questioned, and his testimony was used in the investigation, but he was never suspected, much less charged with any crime.



Hey. I wasn't the one who brought this up as though it would be an issue for McCain to deal with. If you think it's silly for Obama or Clinton to accuse McCain of this, talk to Joph, not me.





Doubtful. Unless something happens that specifically highlights his age (ie: he gets sick, or injured or something), I just don't see it. While his gaffs are more likely to be labeled "senior moments" by the press, he doesn't have them any more often then anyone else on the campaign trail, and arguably less often. Obama's lack of experience has caused him to fall into far more problems then McCain's has had. And Bill's attempt to explain away the bosnia gaff by saying it was old age setting in, didn't exactly help Clinton either.

Are you actually the owner of fishtaco gbaji?

It's like mr. taco was just beating and thumping on RP, not really saying anything coherent or even intelligible, but through sheer tenacity he managed to convince RP to play his game; he got him to make an analogy! and at that point he was lost. I get the mental image of gbaji, drumming his fingers on the desk with a smile of glee on his face, cackling to himself as he pounces on the now weary, exhausted phoenix.



And a sports analogy to boot!

Meh a good arguement RP, he has played the game. But how many ex players actually can coach even superstars like Lou Al Cinder (Kareem). Bird was decent, some others have proven to be good/great GMs ( Dumars, other in basketball I could name I supose but none with a hall of fame type career and this good at being a GM, different debate I digress) Obama has come up and has a good to great pedigree to be a someone I can trust (honestly I liked Edwards over Kerry but liked Kerry with the Vietnam vet thing as a slight edge) Your a ******* btw I am starting to like you now that you actually are debating me. To your current stand I would have taken Mark Jackson over D'Antoni in NY, the players in NY would be more likely to respond to him over a proven entity in this case. However if I was looking for someone to replace Stern I would not lean toward him or any other player I can think of vs say MS. Phil Jackson iirc she is the daughter of the Lakers owner and would have Phil "in the whitehouse".

The thing I think I find the most enamouring about McCain currently is despite his background he served in the military, too many were dodging or psuedo dodging with his background. He even let his own son serve in this fiasco ( I am sure he has been removed now from combat). Secondary is he is from my state (transplant yes) and I have voted for him and mostly felt I have been represented well. God did he ever suck some Bush *** in 2004 though. If it wasnt for that huge huggle at best, he would be above HRC in my book as it stands he is below her and I want Bill back.

As to me being Gbaji christ its been awhile but I have gone to the mattressess' with him before. Don't know me ok but god thats about the worst slander ever.

If its not clear I am 100% sure as a former Republican from AZ that I would vote for HRC if she is on the ballot and like 55% for JM if she is not.

I am born and raised in Phoenix, AZ and I dont know where he was born but Gbaji while nearer me then other posters (San Diego) has disagreed with me more then he has ever agreed with me. My posts all have my signature and I have played with Smashroo in the EQ game as well as Tacosid, Kaolin Baldisking, Patrician, etc in the Alla guild on FV. My ex-wife was also in the guild.

Anyways, I would think I could manage to drum up enough support to get others besides Gbaji to say I am not his sockpuppet.

/Salute RP I am enjoying our debate and will continue it if you desire. I am pro-Clinton and likely to switch to McCain though =P.

(again in AZ my vote is unlikely to matter if I do decide to vote for Obama though)

I was honestly less worried about the nuts & bolts of the Keating 5 scandal than I was amused that Gbaji thinks stuff that happened to McCain 40+ years ago will provide a force field against any criticism of him today.

"Hey, McCain says he wants to maintain Bush's upper class tax cuts despite originally opposing their passage as an unfair burden on the working class."
"HE WAS A PRISONER OF WAR, DAMN YOU! HOW DARE YOU SPEAK OF HIM LIKE THAT?? HE COULD HAVE GONE HOME BUT HE DIDN'T!! HAVE YOU NO SHAME??"

Sure, but Alex was so vocal of a Republican that it really downplayed the Democratic tendencies of the rest of the family.




OH KeatING...sorry, sorry.

Nexa

Edited, May 15th 2008 10:25am by Nexa

I struggle to find reasons for this which are not based on his skin colour/perceived racial identity.

There aren't any, they just hate and fear black men. Don't overthink it.