How many of you Obamites will not play ball?Follow

So racism > mysogyny in your book. Stick your head back in that oven, woman, and rattle some pans!

/whew

No wonder Hellbeast supporters are pissy at you Obamites. While the old saying "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" may not directly apply here, it's close cousin, "Hell hath no fury like a feminist candidate scorned" certainly does. I wouldn't be so sanguine about how these ladies are going to come crawling back to the Dem party come this summer. I suspect each of you are underestimating the female rancor and bile that is building up as this nomination process merrily stews along. And as every husband and child knows, if Mama ain't happy, nobody is happy.

Word to the wise, my myopic liberal Asylumite friends.

Totem

I think you're wrong.

I should fall under the fairly hard-core feminist camp. I was of age during the movements height. I've always worked in a male-dominated field. My husband was my 'house-wife' through most of our marriage, while I was the main earner. And I'm not even backing Clinton.

Feminist's have softened considerably, and I just don't think that the Hillary for President is a feminist movement, or by-in-large even a feminist cause.

If anything, I suspect the 'won't vote for a black man' camp is a more prevalent attitude than the 'won't vote for a man' sentiment.

...or, I think that racism will be a stronger driving force than sexism.

Still, as others have mentioned, while who becomes the parties candidate may cause some to stay home on general election day, I think that's just as much a factor in the republican camp...probably even more so, seeing who the pubbies candidate is. The only thing that might skew the disenfranchised in favor of the republicans is that there will be less time for the dems to forget the primary battle.

Hillary's base is largely made up of the upper middle class democrats, a large percentage of which, are women.

No. Obama kills her with upper middle class democrats.

Stop posting until you understand the topic.

Thanks.

He's not quoting Totem, he's quoting Omegavegata.

As for Hillary, I wish she would drop out. I dislike her way of really plugging into white working class racism, people who come from a similar background than I do, and exploiting that to draw out a campaign, though she will inevitably lose the nomination.

I can see why older white women, who are really her demographic, who have been waiting for decades to see a viable female candidate for president would be torn. You can also see all the schisms and the issues in the second wave feminist movement, i.e. it's very much a movement that excludes women of color, played out here. I've cringed when certain feminists are so eager to point out sexism, while ignoring racism.

And I'm torn. What the real travesty really is that we've only ever had white male presidents-- almost always protestant with one exceptions. Obama and Hillary both contain so many people's hopes and dreams, especially on a very powerful symbolic level. All I hope is that this momentum created by the campaigns won't implode in November and may translate into some real change, i.e. more party support for female candidates and/or candidates of color. It'd be nice for the rest of us, other than white males, to see a government that actually looks like us.



Edited, Apr 26th 2008 12:02pm by Annabella

/nods
Annabella gets it.

This is the locus where I believe the Democratic party could lose the election. By fielding two strong candidates who appeal to vastly different demographics in the same election against a relatively weak opponent (McCain), they stand to alienate their intra-party foes if either one does not somehow make concessions to the other.

While it is comforting to think that once the dust is settled both sides will make nice, perhaps that is a false comfort given the make-up of the two groups competing against each other. Obviously we can't definitively say until the convention takes place and fences are possibly mended.

Don't get me wrong-- I am rubbing my hands together in glee watching Barry Hussein and the Hellbeast bleed, but as an outside observer I think that maybe I have a more objective view of the dynamics involved than those of you who are emotionally heavily invested in your candidate.

Go go Hellbeast! Who knows? Maybe if things get bad enough, she'll run as an independent come summer. We can always audaciously hope, heheh.

Totem

translate into some real change

Come on. You're too old for that ********* "Real change" is impossible in Democracy. The best you can hope for is that a Democrat gets elected and Scalia and Alito and Roberts die suddenly. Then you might get "real change".