How many of you Obamites will not play ball?Follow

Ron Paul FTW!!!

Mike Gravel 4evah!


I probably would abstain from the presidental part of the ballot and just vote for the downticket candidates. But since Illinois is going to go blue no matter what, it's a pretty toothless protest. If I was in a swing state, I'd probably give myself a hard pinch and vote for Clinton just for the SCotUS considerations.

Edit: I don't much buy into the protest polls. It's been a heated race and people are still staking out for their candidate. Once it comes down to Democrat vs Republican, I expect most people will fall behind party lines more often than defect. Clinton is, first and foremost, an establishment Democrat and the core of her supporters are the same. I don't realistically expect them, in great numbers, to vote (R) on the ticket. Some may stay home but the same can be said for conservatives unhappy with McCain.

I've seen this same poll on other forums and, for all the bickering, I'd say 90%+ from both sides admit that they'd rather see the opposing Democrat win in November than McCain.

Edited, Apr 24th 2008 9:49pm by Jophiel

Well considering Clinton's views are much closer to Obama's then say, uhh that other guy, you know the one that's supposed to be a Pubbie, what was is name?


Oh yeah, McCain. The choice is pretty obvious.

Edited, Apr 24th 2008 9:03pm by NaughtyWord

Really can't say I like either Hillary or McCain. I'd have to seriously look over their plans before I made that decision.

Most likely I'll be lazy and just do what Joph is going to do if Hillary wins the nom. I'm not really a Republican or Democrat, more of a Liberal Conservative or a Conservative Liberal. I don't really feel a dedication to either party.


This is definatly going to be an interesting election year.

Voted for HillDog in the Wisco primary.

I've got my Hillary bumper sticker just waiting to go up in the rear window if she turns out to be the candidate.

Nexa

Whoever loses is going to turn around and throw their support to the winner, and voters tend to fall in line with that.

What worries me more is the large number of minorities, mostly blacks, who tend to not vote. While they'll come out in force for Obama, I'm not sure they would for Clinton.

I find this crazy too. The Iraq war debacle, the economy ********-up, the mortgage crisis, the foreign policy in general... They've screwed-up abroad, they've screwed-up at home, I just don't understand how they've still got even a tiny chance to get re-elected.



If they fUck up, I'm asking for the univeral right to vote in the US elections. It's jsut not fair otherwise. I can vote in French elections, the results of which has 0 impact of my life, and I can't vote for the guys that decide how the planet is run.

We need a new universal civil rights movement.

No, that just means even though Obama didn't get the nomination, I'm still not stupid enough to vote Conservative.

Snoopy For President
1968, The Royal Guardsmen

(The original single version of this song featured a spoken
introduction by "The Red Baron," mentioning the then-current
presidential candidates for the 1968 election. Unfortunately,
Bobby Kennedy was assassinated just days after the record had
already been shipped to stores. Later pressings eliminated
the spoken intro.)

Written by Phillip A. Gernhard, **** Holler, and Arnold Lee
Shapiro


The time had come to elect a President
And all the famous candidates thought they were heaven-sent
They screamed and raved and pounded their hands above their hearts
But soon the noble promises were hard to tell apart

Waiting at the pumpkin patch, a dog sincere and brave
And everybody hoped that soon the country he would save
The pumpkin said "The day has come for you to take a stand"
"For love has left the people across our native land"

Some wear the sign of the elephant
and some wear the sign of the mule
But we'll hold the sign of the beagle high
and love will shine right through

All the politicians, they swore he couldn't win
But Snoopy only shook his head and flashed his famous grin
He jumped into his faithful friend, the Sopwith Camel plane
And bounced around the countryside from Washington to Maine

Some wear the sign of the elephant
and some wear the sign of the mule
But we'll hold the sign of the beagle high
and love will shine right through

New York State was lookin' bad till Snoopy made a speech
Soon Illinois and Tennessee were both within his reach
He won the vote in Oregon but time was growin' thin
And back at the convention hall, the votes were pourin' in

Snoopy smiled his way into the hearts of everyone
But when the votes were counted up, they found he needed one
The winning vote for Snoopy came when a stranger raised his hand
Snoopy turned, the stranger spoke
"Mein friend, vee meet again!"

Some wear the sign of the elephant
and some wear the sign of the mule

I assume you are talking about the super delegates rising up and pushing Hillary to the nomination despite Obama's lead in votes and delegates. I would vote for Hillary, but I doubt I would contribute to her campaign. I already gave Obama the max I can give for the primaries and will likely give again for the general election, plus some to the national party. If it were Hillary, I would likely save the money for something better. I imagine that goes for the rest of the donors currently giving to Obama. Hillary would probably be better off following McCain's lead and taking public money.

I don't put much stock in any of these polls though. Emotions are high right now and it is easy to say you will vote for McCain over that other person when asked. I'm actually amazed that McCain isn't leading in those polls that show him versus Clinton or Obama in a general election. Once there is a nominee, the stark contrasts between the two candidates will start to come out. Given a few months to cool down the average democratic voter will realize he has to vote democrat. Even the average moderate will realize that on all important issues the democrat favors their view point.

I'm not thrilled at how the campaigns have gone so completely negative. I used to think it was a really bad thing for the party. But I've slowly begun to think that by getting these issued out ahead of time, Hillary might be doing Obama a favor, though I don't believe that is why she is doing it. Eventually the election still will come down to continuing unpopular Bush policies or moving in a different direction. Once the choices are laid out, most democrats will come back to the fold.

Hillary supporters are on the defense because things don't look good for her. The "poll" was probably either biased or they're bluffing to give Hillary some favor.

Regardless of what anyone says at this point, anyone who is adamantly in favor of one D candidate over another enough so that they say they'd abstain or vote R if their candidate isn't the nominee will probably vote D anyway. Why? Because whichever D isn't the nominee is going to adamantly endorse the other over McCain. They'll have a swift change of heart.

Personally I'd vote for Hillary. I just vastly prefer Obama, much in the same way I'd vastly prefer her to McCain.



I agree. It's probably a good thing that all of this is coming up now and not later.

Edited, Apr 25th 2008 10:23pm by Kachi

Hillary's base is largely made up of the upper middle class democrats, a large percentage of which, are women. Many of these women are putting large amounts of their gender issues (Also known as Feminism) onto Hillary's candidacy and are angry that their "preemptive nominee" has been losing to a guy.

And while they're thinking it, they can't say that they're just miffed that it's SUCH a well spoken black guy, that they'd much rather vote for if not for their vaginal handicap.

When she loses, give em' a week to stop cool off & they'll start to smell what Barack is cooking.