Atomicflea wrote:
Smasharoo wrote:
It's just plain old milquetoast hubris. She can't fathom she won't be the nominee.
Nah, she's not that stupid.
She is better off as a politician as Bill Clinton's wife than ex-wife.
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It's just plain old milquetoast hubris. She can't fathom she won't be the nominee.
Nah, she's not that stupid.
She is better off as a politician as Bill Clinton's wife than ex-wife.
Kakar the Great wrote:
And yet I still find it more plausible for Obama to make a serious run at it than Hillary. If she wins, they may as well swear McCain in right then and there.
Well, I know I'm more or less alone in this position (and not just among folks on this forum), but I honestly think that Obama is a much more beatable candidate then Clinton is. Doubly so when facing McCain.
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I honestly think that Obama is a much more beatable candidate then Clinton is.
I don't think this is the case, but even assuming it was, Obama has much, much, more potential to impact downticket races. Given the choice of winning the Presidency and 2 senate seats or losing it and winning 10 senate seats, I'd probably take the latter.
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Smasharoo wrote:
You think that would have furthered her political ambitions somehow?
And this did?
Sure it did. If Obama wins, she didn't hurt him. If Obama loses, she was right.
Either way, she's better off with more money than less.
Sure it did. If Obama wins, she didn't hurt him. If Obama loses, she was right.
Either way, she's better off with more money than less.
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Either way, she's better off with more money than less.
If she loses, she's going to owe lots of people money. This is just another reason some believe she's stayed in the race, she can't afford to drop out.
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Cnn, April 21st wrote:
According to campaign reports filed with the Federal Election Commission over the weekend, the New York senator began the month of April with close to $32 million cash-on hand. But only $9 million of that total are funds that are able to be spent in the primary races. The report also showed Clinton owes more than $10 million, meaning the Democratic presidential candidate was in the red even before she heavily stepped up television advertising in Pennsylvania.
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
I think Smasharoo can't believe some people are just driven to win regardless the cost. I believe the Hellbeast-- and her husband --are one of those people. Due to some weird symbiotic relationship between the two of them or just a purely narcisstic streak on her part to prove she is Bill's equal, she is in this campaign for the long haul. It's not money. It's not pride. It's just the will to win regardless the cost. I suspect she feels that this was her moment in time and this upstart rookie senator is stealing her spotlight. And she'll be damned if she'll just let him get away with it. If that means giving the presidency to McCain, so be it. She's already said McCain would be a more prepared president for the various crisis we'll face than Obama is (Time, March 11) and her campaign style shows she'll do anything, say anything, resort to anything to win this campaign.
I <3 the Hellbeast.
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I <3 the Hellbeast.
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In Slate tonight:
Even as Hillary Clinton trails Barack Obama in pledged delegates, the popular vote, and number of states won, she has made it clear that she plans to stay in the race for the nomination. All of which brings me to this logical conclusion: It is time for Barack Obama to drop out. (my bolding)
If Clinton had the good of the Democratic Party in mind, she would have given up her bid the day after the Mississippi primary, which Obama won by 25 points. The delegate math was as dismal for her campaign then as it is now, even after Pennsylvania, and she was facing down a six-week gulf before the next election.
But Hillary Clinton isn’t going to drop out. There simply isn’t a function in her assembly code for throwing in the towel.
Obama, on the other hand, is fully capable of it. And if he’s really serious about representing a new kind of politics, now is the time for him to prove it in the only meaningful way left. Moreover, were he to play it right, dropping out now nearly guarantees that he’ll be elected president in 2012. Here’s the roadmap:
Obama drops out next week, stating that although he could almost certainly win the nomination by fighting it out until the convention in August, he is simply not willing to drag the party through a battle that will cripple its chances against John McCain. He then pledges to help support Sen. Clinton in her bid—with full knowledge that she will not take him up on the offer.
In one stroke, Obama will regain his messiah creds by making the ultimate sacrifice for the good of the party. His followers will be furious. The mere mention of Clinton’s name will provoke unspeakable acts. They will abandon Clinton in numbers sufficient to hand McCain the election in November.
Losing the presidency again after eight years of Bush will ruin the Democratic Party. It will become obvious that Clinton’s decision to stay in the race was the turning point in the election. The base will turn its wrath on party leaders like Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi, who failed to push Clinton out. Obama, as the de facto head of the party, will broker negotiations to install new leaders loyal to him.
McCain will be eminently more beatable in 2012. Demographics will continue to shift in Obama’s favor as his 14- to 17-year-old supporters come of voting age. Anyone foolish enough to challenge Obama for the nomination—and don’t rule out Clinton—will go nowhere. Obama’s utopian vision for a Democratic party unified around him will be complete. QED.
This reflects my thinking that Clinton isn't in it for the money. She just doesn't know when or maybe even how to stop. RACK her for internally and singlehandedly destroying the Democratic Party.
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Even as Hillary Clinton trails Barack Obama in pledged delegates, the popular vote, and number of states won, she has made it clear that she plans to stay in the race for the nomination. All of which brings me to this logical conclusion: It is time for Barack Obama to drop out. (my bolding)
If Clinton had the good of the Democratic Party in mind, she would have given up her bid the day after the Mississippi primary, which Obama won by 25 points. The delegate math was as dismal for her campaign then as it is now, even after Pennsylvania, and she was facing down a six-week gulf before the next election.
But Hillary Clinton isn’t going to drop out. There simply isn’t a function in her assembly code for throwing in the towel.
Obama, on the other hand, is fully capable of it. And if he’s really serious about representing a new kind of politics, now is the time for him to prove it in the only meaningful way left. Moreover, were he to play it right, dropping out now nearly guarantees that he’ll be elected president in 2012. Here’s the roadmap:
Obama drops out next week, stating that although he could almost certainly win the nomination by fighting it out until the convention in August, he is simply not willing to drag the party through a battle that will cripple its chances against John McCain. He then pledges to help support Sen. Clinton in her bid—with full knowledge that she will not take him up on the offer.
In one stroke, Obama will regain his messiah creds by making the ultimate sacrifice for the good of the party. His followers will be furious. The mere mention of Clinton’s name will provoke unspeakable acts. They will abandon Clinton in numbers sufficient to hand McCain the election in November.
Losing the presidency again after eight years of Bush will ruin the Democratic Party. It will become obvious that Clinton’s decision to stay in the race was the turning point in the election. The base will turn its wrath on party leaders like Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi, who failed to push Clinton out. Obama, as the de facto head of the party, will broker negotiations to install new leaders loyal to him.
McCain will be eminently more beatable in 2012. Demographics will continue to shift in Obama’s favor as his 14- to 17-year-old supporters come of voting age. Anyone foolish enough to challenge Obama for the nomination—and don’t rule out Clinton—will go nowhere. Obama’s utopian vision for a Democratic party unified around him will be complete. QED.
This reflects my thinking that Clinton isn't in it for the money. She just doesn't know when or maybe even how to stop. RACK her for internally and singlehandedly destroying the Democratic Party.
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****, I agree with To3tem.
It would pass for strategy if I had any confidence McCain will be alive in 2012. He might select a semi-competent VP, and then we'd be ultra-screwed.
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