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#102 Apr 15 2008 at 7:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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As long as i'm making 6 figures by the time i'm 35, which i'm on track to hit, i'll be ok.


Oh sure, but what are you going to do when you have to add and subtract them?

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#104 Apr 15 2008 at 8:18 AM Rating: Default
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Funny, all this talk about big evil corporations, when the largest one sits in Washington DC and the CEO and board members are every bit as corrupt as the rest of them. Republicans, Democrats, whatever. Elected officials get there by playing the game, not by rocking the boat. They are all puppets dancing in the wind to the beat of those that raise them on a pedastal. The few that do get there on their own are ignored. The rest sit on their thrones watching the sheep run from one pasture to the next, looking for the greener one, while they play their games on capitol hill. Whatever. I must admit though, the Democrats have provided more entertainment than elections usually provide and the Olympics will be a disapointment in comparison, even in China. Meanwhile, I just eat my grass that I think isn't quite green enough and wonder how much of my wool I'll get to keep next April.
#105 Apr 15 2008 at 8:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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Have you been to any of these public housing projects? 3yrs after they're built they're literally sh*t holes. And justice discriminates against the poor; no one else (OJ)


Around here, we had a trailor park that had people who owned their trailors but didn't own the land underneath them; they rented that. Then one day, after all these people had finished paying off 30 year mortgages on these mobile homes, the landlord decided that he wanted to sell the land to a developer for ANOTHER overpriced student housing complex, since it was a mile from campus. (GFDI we didn't need another one! Housing prices are already way too high for a city with a 30% poverty rating!) Nevermind that the university workers making minimum wage lived there, we needed more student housing like a hole in the head!

The law in Georgia said that mobile homes over 30 years old cannot be relocated. So, basically, these poor people that had FINALLY just finished paying for their homes, were ******* We raised over $100,000 locally to purchase the land for the residents, but the contract had been signed, the developer threatened the landlord with breech of contract, and it was too late. They were set back literally 3 decades because the system screwed them over. Sure, a trailor isn't the nicest piece of property to own, but if you're a lower income citizen, it's still your own home, and the rent on land is comparatively littled compared to the rent on house+land. They spent 30 years on a mortgage for those trailers only to see them bulldozed one horrific Monday.

To this day I have refused to set foot in the gated community that was built in its place, even though friends lived there. For the first year or two students boycotted it, but eventually new students moved in that didn't know the complex's tragic past, and now it's probably making oodles of money. It absolutely disgusts me that in the greatest country in the world that kind of **** could happen, since it's the kind of abuse that happens to the poor in third world countries on a regular basis.

#106 Apr 15 2008 at 8:33 AM Rating: Good
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And justice discriminates against the poor; no one else


If only that were true. Care to guess the difference in sentencing between someone being caught with powder cocaine and someone being caught with crack cocaine?
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#107REDACTED, Posted: Apr 15 2008 at 8:48 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Couldn't tell ya. I do know that 100k will expedite the legal process a lot quicker than 10k.
#108 Apr 15 2008 at 8:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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It absolutely disgusts me that in the greatest country in the world that kind of sh*t could happen, since it's the kind of abuse that happens to the poor in third world countries on a regular basis.



Makes you question that whole "greatest country in the world" crap doesn't it? Until you look around and realize that's happening everywhere else too.
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#109REDACTED, Posted: Apr 15 2008 at 8:55 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Catwho,
#110 Apr 15 2008 at 9:03 AM Rating: Excellent
Well, if you only make $15,000 a year by working as a janitor at a university, you don't have much choice do you?
#111 Apr 15 2008 at 11:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Slate Mag has a couple of pundits who feel that they have an insight on Barry Hussein's bitter comments. The first, John ********** argues that Obama is a snob. But what kind of snob is he? A big one or a little snob?

http://www.slate.com/id/2188963/

The second, Timothy Noah, attempts to explain just who, precisely, these working class stiffs are that have annoyingly gotten inexplicably angry at the Presumed Annointed Black Savior of the World, aka Obamaman, the superhero who can bowl a 37 in a single line.

http://www.slate.com/id/2189011/

********* comes off as a more genuinely impartial writer, while Noah is obviously an Obama apologist wishing the Hellbeast would quit spoiling the Dem's party.

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#112 Apr 15 2008 at 11:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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As long as i'm making 6 figures by the time i'm 35, which i'm on track to hit, i'll be ok.


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“The superior man understands what is right; the inferior man understands what will sell.”
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#113 Apr 15 2008 at 11:59 AM Rating: Default
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Hah. Found this bit pretty relevant to this conversation:

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Most devastating to Frank's analysis, "most of his white working-class voters see themselves as closer to the Democratic party on social issues like abortion and gender roles but closer to the Republican party on economic issues".


Hmmmm.... But it's all about religion and guns, right?
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#114 Apr 15 2008 at 12:16 PM Rating: Default
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Sure, gbaji, but to the libs on this board, these people are "idiots" who aren't smart enough to know better. Only an enlightened Dem candidate can lead them from their benighted state... uh, scratch that. These idiots are already in the Dem party, so, yeah, they're pretty much screwed in the Brains & Mental Acuity department.

It's funny that in unguarded moments the presumptive Dem candidate pisses all over those people he claims to fight for, heh.

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#115REDACTED, Posted: Apr 15 2008 at 12:55 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Pauly,
#116 Apr 15 2008 at 1:21 PM Rating: Excellent
Totem: Why are educational institutions the haven of the liberals? Maybe because we're not so dumb after all?

Granted, intelligent != educated. However, calling all liberals unintelligent is, well, ignorant. Many of us have quite high IQs in addition to our shiny degrees. As a whole, however, we tend to be optimists instead of pessimists. We believe in the argument of the nature of man being inherently good. That's why we think all human beings deserve basic rights -- food, shelter, clothing. Anyone who seeks to deny fellow humans those basic things because "they need to earn them" or they don't deserve them due to an unlucky roll of the genetic dice is a pessimist . . . and a conservative.

Hmmm, maybe it's all the genetics courses I took for my botany classes that makes me pro-choice. Maybe it's all those detailed history classes and political science classes that makes me distrust blind conservatism. (And hence, why I reject the politics of my father.) Maybe it's the class I took on bible doctrine in minority churches that allows me to hear Reverend Wright's comments without too much concern. Even hearkening back to high school, we studied the Holocaust in my economics class because that atrocity was, at its core, economic in origin. So I tend to take a liberal view of economics -- tax and spend on ourselves is way the hell better than tax-cut and spend on war.

Why do Iraq and Afganistan have universal healthcare, paid for by our own tax dollars, when we don't?
#117 Apr 15 2008 at 1:36 PM Rating: Good
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On the subject of Obama being an elitist, Jon Stewart made a funny point, to the effect of: If you don't think you're better than us, why the fuck are you running for president? The president should be better than the average Joe.

Anyway, Obama does come across as a very intelligent person able to make good judgments, and that is what a president is ultimately elected for. This comes through even when he falls under media attack.

I really didn't see how what he said was offensive in the first place, unless you were a pubbie, in which case your opinion holds little influence. It was at worst a bit patronizing, but I can appreciate the sincerity of the sentiment if nothing else. Frankly, low income people tend to be, surprise, less educated, less intelligent (because on the whole they have to worker harder to pursue continuing education and often come from less resourceful families) and more naive about fiscal matters.
#118 Apr 15 2008 at 2:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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The president should be better than the average Joe.


8 Years of W have lowered our standards a bit.
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#119gbaji, Posted: Apr 15 2008 at 3:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) With respect... I completely disagree with your apparent definition of optimist and pessimist. Additionally, I disagree with your use of the term "rights".
#120 Apr 15 2008 at 7:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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And rights? Again. I just have to disagree. Rights are not things you get or are promised. They are things that you have naturally that the government may or may not (hopefully may not!) take away.


No; rights are arbitrary things that the society as a whole agrees should be given to all members of that society.

Rights exist by social fiat, not natural law.
#121 Apr 15 2008 at 8:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Look gbaji, I picture where all Americans come together to make sure its people are well educated (free college), well fed(solid welfare plan), free from the tyranny of weapons(strict gun-control), and get to see a doctor (universal healthcare) any time they please (Why does this sound like the UK?). I realize this is a Liberal Ideal, and I can admit comfortably that this is not likely to happen


and while you're at why not just dictate what a person can or can't eat; aren't those who are in shape less of a burden to society? Oh and let's not forget required morning exercise. When someone refuses to learn we'll just double our efforts in educating them in the proper newspeak.

"to die hating them, that was freedom"



Oh please just shut the fuck up varass. As if Conservatives haven't tried to tell people how to live their lives. Smiley: rolleyes


Where should I start?
#122 Apr 15 2008 at 8:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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You do not have a "right" to food. You have a right to seek to obtain food. You do not have a right to housing. You have a right to seek housing. Anything that you could obtain if there was no government preventing you from obtaining it is a right. Anything you succeed in obtaining without a government helping or hindering you is your right to keep.


Yet conservative doctrine dictates that embryos, and only embryos, have a right to life.

Yet once you're born, you're on your own.

They're all for life, I guess it's the living that's their problem.
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#123 Apr 15 2008 at 9:13 PM Rating: Excellent
They also say my gay friends can't get married.

I told my fiance, until our friends Travis and Trevor are legally allowed to get married, then I'm in no hurry. Hell, I wanted us to make a huge stink and try to get a civil union but they don't even offer those in Georgia.

Our constitution outlines that humans are granted unalianable rights: Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness. Now, we could get into an enormous debate of what constitutes the right to "live" per the Constitution, but I consider "food, clothing, shelter" to be necessities of life, and therefore defined by the constitution as things we should have, at the barest minimum. In the country envisioned by the forefathers, no one would starve, or be homeless, or naked. They were rebelling not only against the nutty King George III trying to force them to pay for a war they didn't want to fight (Hmmm . . . . sound familiar?) but also the terrible conditions on the Continent that ultimately led to tragedies such as the Irish Potato Famine, the French Revolution, etc. Hungry people riot and wreck good government. People have the right to live, therefore they have the right to eat to stay alive. And when that right is taken from them, they get pissed and start rioting.

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#124 Apr 15 2008 at 9:19 PM Rating: Good
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"food, clothing, shelter"


*cough* Healthcare *cough*
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#125 Apr 16 2008 at 7:38 AM Rating: Good
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"Why do Iraq and Afganistan have universal healthcare, paid for by our own tax dollars, when we don't?" --Cat-ho

I think I'd have to pass on the universal health care these two countries have. Between the combat conditions required to make use of that nifty universal health care and the medical quality provided, I'll take my chances at the local doc-in-a-box and keep paying my insurance premium, thankyouverymuch. But hey, if it appeals to you so greatly, feel free to volunteer for some of that humanitarian relief stuff people do over there and take a carbomb in the face. I'm sure they'll treat the shrapnel wounds properly by lopping off your dome.

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#126 Apr 16 2008 at 7:49 AM Rating: Good
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"Even hearkening back to high school, we studied the Holocaust in my economics class because that atrocity was, at its core, economic in origin." --Cat-ho

You make me laff. What, the Germans were all pissy because all the bankers, jewelers, and money lenders were Jewish and had to cook 'em in the ovens to show the big nosed, filthy money grubbing Jews who's boss? If there was any financial basis for killing off Jews, it was because it gave them free stuff. Your economics teacher was just trying to inflate the importance of his class by exaggerating a minor component of the Holocaust. It sounds like ol' teach could stand to go sabbatical and take a world religions class.

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