Obama's recent commentsFollow

[:tear:] i think i have something in my eye...

And it's exactly this sort of liberal elitist attitude that people are attacking Obama for. Your assuming that people voting GOP don't do so because maybe they think that they're right about economics and you're wrong. You've bought into the "big business is evil" argument so strongly that anyone who doedn't agree with you is automatically "voting against their own interests".

I've personally run into this assumptive argument so many times that it's not like this is surprising. The point here is that it is elitist at it's core. Ultimately, it makes an assumption that those voting GOP don't understand their own economic circumstances as well as a group of liberals in Berkeley. Guess what? People do vote GOP, not because they're "afraid" or some other silly socialist garbage argument, but because they know that their jobs are dependent on that big business doing well. They understand this in a way that some idiot who's never lived the world outside the ivory tower does not. They see that this sort of argument is not about helping them, but about ideology. If you can convince "the people" that big business is bad, then the only way "the people" can make a living is via government assistance. Which just conveniently ties directly into the power structure that the socialist left wants.


It's a big lie. And it's incredibly elitist for you to sit there and bash those who actually see it for the lie it is. They "get it". You do not...

Not anyone, just the poor and middle class. Republicans like to siphon money and power to the top (see: very top). If I were a middle-class, married with children, schmuck, I wouldn't be voting for a platform that is notorious for budget cuts on education, assistance to parents, and little to no tax change. Someone that makes over $500,000 a year somehow needs a (huge) tax break? I guess in making that much money, the taxes are just too over cumbersome and they cannot live. It must suck to be rich.

gbaji, you dumb fUck, get back to me after you see your town full of small family farms and locally owned businesses be decimated by deregulation and agribusiness that was promoted so heavily by the republican in the 80s and then see the same people vote for candidates based on vague social issues-- no one speaks to their actual issues economically, btw.. I'm guessing gbaji has never lived in rural america b/c any @#%^ who has would not disagree with the idea that people have become bitter.

Not this goddamned Mayberry bullsh*t the republican party likes to propogate, especially from their middle class suburban fanbase that likes to pose like they are the salt of the earth.

Edited, Apr 14th 2008 5:21pm by Annabella

No, they vote GOP because they don't know a god damn thing about Economics. Surely you're not so out of touch with the GOP base that you think otherwise.

Surely you remember 2004, where Bush won another term on a combination of "stay the course" and a fear of gay marriage being passed country wide.

Ah. So you'd rather vote for a platform that will raise your taxes, make it harder for you to find a higher paying job, and reduce your ability to raise your salary within the job you have, all in exchange for a promise that the tax money you pay will somehow benefit you more then it cost you?

Yeah. Do the math sometime. It's pretty obvious to the average middle class person that if the company they work for goes out of business, they'll be out a job. It's not so apparent how the wasteful spending in our federal government is going to help them if/when that happens.



What tax break? I thought this was about middle and working class people?


See. The problem is that you're operating on an assumption that working and middle class people *must* be offended when someone wealthier then themselves makes more money. That's a "classist" argument IMO, and assumes that everyone thinks only of themselves and their own "class". Some of us think that if you work hard you can improve yourself. We believe that a poor person can become working class with a bit of work. And that working class person, can become middle class if he/she makes the right decisions and gets into a valuable field. And then we believe that if a middle class person invests their money and makes good financial decisions, they can become wealthy themselves.

For those of us who do believe in this (and isn't that the "American Dream"?), taxing "the rich" simply because they are rich is like taxing our own future potential. It makes no sense unless you've resigned yourself to an existence where you and your children will always be defined by the economic status you were born to, so you may as well punish those higher up on the economic ladder.


Sorry. Many of us just don't buy that. We want to have the opportunity to make our own lives better over time. We want the chance to make them better still for our children. And we don't want to support a set of policies that will not only make it harder to do that, but will punish us if we do.


It has nothing to do with "clinging to single issues". That's what the leftist politicos want you to think though. Because it's much easier to dismiss large numbers of working and middle class folks voting Republican if you can explain it away as them voting "for their guns", or "for their religion" or "out of fear". Because that allows you to avoid having to actually address the fact that they largely vote that way because they do believe in the American Dream, and they don't want to destroy it.

I'm not worried about the guy making $500,000 a year. The way inflation is going that means very little.

No, I'm pissed about the CEO that was ousted from his company with a $200 MILLION severance package.

"Here, you ****** up your job! Have more money!"

When I was laid off from my job due to downsizing, I got 2 weeks worth for severance.

Incorrect.

An employer's ability to pay employees is based on its ability to generate revenue. Retaining profits is in fact inimical to paying one's employees (profit is, by definition, revenue minus business expenses, and employee pay is a business expense).

Really, you shouldn't need to have this explained to you...

And yet you constantly tell us all what the secret liberal conspiracy is. Funny that

Lol. Um... Whatever Joph. Let's put it another way (and back into context). I'm not running for President of the US on a platform that I know how to reach across the aisle and end partisan bickering, am I? I don't expect to win over the hearts and minds of Liberals when I post on this forum. I don't claim to be a centrist without bias, nor am I asking for those on the "other side" to accept me as a viable leader of their country.

Obama is.


You do see how that's a significant difference, right?

You captured my feelings exactly!