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#1 Apr 13 2008 at 10:34 AM Rating: Decent
So Obama recently made a rather controversial statement regarding rural Pennsylvanians. Probably not the best time to say something like this, especially with the primary coming up.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/13/obama.clinton/

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MUNCIE, Indiana (CNN) -- Sen. Barack Obama on Saturday tried to clarify what he meant when he said some small-town Pennsylvanians are "bitter" people who "cling to guns and religion."

Sen. Barack Obama told a newspaper if he offended anyone, he deeply regrets it.

"I didn't say it as well as I should have," Obama admitted in Muncie, Indiana, on Saturday, the day after he first defended his comments, "because the truth is that these traditions that are passed on from generation to generation -- those are important."

The Illinois senator made the controversial comments at a California event that was closed to the media last Sunday.

Obama defended his point of view amid intensified criticism from Democratic rival Hillary Clinton and presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain that's he's elitist and out of touch.

"Obviously, if I worded things in a way that made people offended, I deeply regret that," Obama said Saturday in an interview with the Winston-Salem Journal, according to a transcript provided by his campaign. Video Watch how the 'bitter' battle is playing out on the trail »

"The underlying truth of what I said remains, which is simply that people who have seen their way of life upended because of economic distress are frustrated and rightfully so," he told the North Carolina newspaper. "And I hear it all the time when I visit these communities."

Clinton, speaking in Indianapolis, said she was "taken back" by what she referred as "demeaning remarks" about "small-town" Americans.

"Sen. Obama's remarks are elitist and out of touch. They are not reflective of values and beliefs of Americans, certainly not the Americans I know, not the Americans I grew up with, not the Americans I lived with in Arkansas or represent in New York," the senator from New York said.

She said Americans who believe in the Second Amendment, the right to bear arms, "believe it's a matter of constitutional right." And she said "Americans who believe in God believe it's a matter of personal faith."
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Tucker Bounds -- spokesman for McCain, the senator from Arizona -- also said that the reverence for faith and the Second Amendment in the United States are "cornerstone customs" and that Obama's "dismissal of those values is revealing."

"Barack Obama's elitism allows him to believe that the American traditions that have contributed to the identity and greatness of this country are actually just frustrations and bitterness."

Obama told the Muncie audience that the back-and-forth between him and his rivals is "typical."

His campaign emphasized that the "traditions" Obama referred to in his remarks are those of gun ownership and religion. Obama added that those traditions are "what sustains us."

Obama also labeled the dust-up that's developed as "a little typical sort of political flare-up" because, as he contends, he said something that "everybody knows is true."

The Democratic candidate continued to maintain -- as he did Friday night after the initial story began to circulate -- that people are frustrated because Washington isn't listening to the average American.

"There are a whole bunch of folks in small towns in Pennsylvania, in towns right here in Indiana, in my home town in Illinois who are bitter. They are angry."

"When you're bitter, you turn to what you can count on," Obama said, adding that they then turn to voting "about guns" and "taking comfort" in their faith and family.

"That's a natural response."

Obama's original comments were posted Friday on the Web site Huffingtonpost.com. Video Watch how the firestorm started »

"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. ...
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"And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are going to regenerate and they have not," he said.

"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations," he also said.


So I ask, are these comments worth people getting riled up over? Was he out of line in saying this? And how is this going to affect his chances of being nominated?

As much as I hate to agree with Clinton, these comments do seem rather elitist and ignorant. Clinging to guns or racism when the going gets tough? Not the kind of thing you want to say to the people who you're counting on to elect you.
#2 Apr 13 2008 at 11:06 AM Rating: Good
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what he should have said is "Anyone who votes for a president based on a single issue is a moron". Cause we all know thats true. If you vote cause you think the government will take your guns, people will start having abortions left and right, the government is gonna pave over all our national parks, or they need to remove "under god" from the pledge of allegiance. Do us all a favor and grow up.

The world is full of irrational petty self absorbed people ready to take offense over the slightest difference in opinion.

Obamas statement however "elitist" it sounds, is a truth. Ive lived in small towns in both IN and PA, his remarks are on target. Prolly the most honest politician in decades, he doesnt pander to people.
#3 Apr 13 2008 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
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I grew up in a small town where people are so afraid of homosexuals and abortions that they vote for candidates that work against their own interests. The fact that rural America is so Red, despite the fact that republicans have largely worked for bills that have devastated family farms in favor of supporting agribusiness, should indicate that nicely.
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#4 Apr 13 2008 at 11:29 AM Rating: Decent
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He made an astute observation that people who are going to be voting for will agree with and people who would never vote for him will twist to mean something that it isn't.

No big deal.
#5 Apr 13 2008 at 11:43 AM Rating: Decent
I supported neither Obama nor Clinton in this race, so my vote is not affected by what he said. Regardless of how "astute" he may sound, however, what he said is a vicious stereotype. It almost sounds like veiled racism. Had a white candidate said that when the going gets tough for blacks, they cling to welfare and ghetto culture, would he not be vilified?

I have a friend here at my university who's from rural PA, and he is a well-learned, mild-mannered person who clings to none of what Obama listed. Just proof that anecdotal evidence can't be fully trusted.

Overall, I think Obama should have just kept his mouth shut. There was no need for that comment.

One other issue I would like to bring up- is it right for the media to report information that was intended to be private? The article states that the comments were made at an event closed to the media, so apparently it leaked out via an attendee to the Internet. Should Obama be held just as accountable as if he said this during a major press conference or speech?
#6 Apr 13 2008 at 12:18 PM Rating: Decent
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I supported neither Obama nor Clinton in this race
So your opinion doesn't matter.

K tnx.

Bye now.

Edited, Apr 13th 2008 4:18pm by tarv
#7 Apr 13 2008 at 12:22 PM Rating: Good
Someone's opinion doesn't matter just because they aren't voting for Obama? Just because he isn't saying "I love Obama and he is correct in what he says". Doesn't mean his opinion doesn't matter.
#8 Apr 13 2008 at 12:23 PM Rating: Good
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Baron von tarv wrote:
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I supported neither Obama nor Clinton in this race
So your opinion doesn't matter.
As non-US citizens, neither do ours. Smiley: schooled

But right or wrong, in PR terms it was an own-goal by Mr Obama
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#9 Apr 13 2008 at 12:23 PM Rating: Decent
So be it. But even you can admit that this forum is boring as hell right now. I wanted to start a debate, see people's opinions. Nobody had brought this up, and I figured it was a fairly important issue.
#10 Apr 13 2008 at 12:25 PM Rating: Good
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So be it. But even you can admit that this forum is boring as hell right now. I wanted to start a debate, see people's opinions. Nobody had brought this up, and I figured it was a fairly important issue.
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#11 Apr 13 2008 at 12:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Someone's opinion doesn't matter just because they aren't voting for Obama? Just because he isn't saying "I love Obama and he is correct in what he says". Doesn't mean his opinion doesn't matter.
If you where never going to vote for him anyway why would he care what you think.
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Nobody had brought this up, and I figured it was a fairly important issue.
The reason no one brought it up is because it isn't an important issue.

It has nothing to do with policy and will be forgotten inside a week by any person who isn't voting Republican.

Edited, Apr 13th 2008 4:44pm by tarv
#12 Apr 13 2008 at 12:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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I, for one, am deeply offended. Apparently, those of us who enjoy guns and church are maladjusted gun totin' Jim Jones Kool-Aid drinkers who are acting out in response to the middle class getting dumped on.

Huh. And here I was just thinking I enjoyed hunting and spirituality. Who knew? But then this is coming from a chicken winged guy who bowls a 37 and looks like Urkel.

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#13 Apr 13 2008 at 12:47 PM Rating: Good
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I live in Pennsylvania and most of the people around here are bitter about one thing or another. Also everyone has guns, including myself. As to religion, I personally don't bother with it, but alot of people do. It may not have sounded very nice, but Obama is correct.
#14 Apr 13 2008 at 12:51 PM Rating: Good
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TurinAlexander the Vile wrote:
It may not have sounded very nice, but Obama is correct.
Since when did telling uncomfortable truths ever win an election? Smiley: dubious

Whether it's true or not, he just lost a deal of votes from the idiots he called idiots.

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#15 Apr 13 2008 at 12:52 PM Rating: Good
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So you own guns because you're a disaffected middle class worker? Or are you only half dissatisfied since you only have guns and don't go to church? Because that is what Barry Hussein said.

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#16 Apr 13 2008 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Whether it's true or not, he just lost a deal of votes from the idiots he called idiots.
You know as well as i do Nobby the only people voting for him in the backwater hicksvilles he refered to are the very people who think exactly what he said about their neighbours.

So really it will reinforce them to vote for him.

Hence my original comment
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people who are going to be voting for will agree with and people who would never vote for him will twist to mean something that it isn't.
#17 Apr 13 2008 at 1:18 PM Rating: Good
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Because that is what Barry Hussein said.


No he said people who have no reason to vote for the GOP because it repeatedly hammers them in *** do so because they cling to some specific issue that makes them feel better about themselves. While he wasn't winning the "pry the gun from my cold dead hands" or the "all **** should die" voters, anyway, the narrative will be that he's out of touch with "rural" (read bigoted moron) voters and that might cost him some of the idiot vote.

It was a stupid thing to say. He needs to be better at staying on message all the time and not thinking that when he's among educated friendly crowds that he can tell the truth, no matter how receptive they might be to it.

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#18 Apr 13 2008 at 1:23 PM Rating: Good
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Totem wrote:
I, for one, am deeply offended. Apparently, those of us who enjoy guns and church are maladjusted gun totin' Jim Jones Kool-Aid drinkers who are acting out in response to the middle class getting dumped on.

Huh. And here I was just thinking I enjoyed hunting and spirituality. Who knew? But then this is coming from a chicken winged guy who bowls a 37 and looks like Urkel.

Totem


But that's not what he is saying at all and you know that. I grew up in an area where everyone hunts and many small towns have seven churches to every store. That's not what he is talking about. People in rural America have been screwed for the last 30 years as the family farm has been decimated and yet conversely, they have clung to the politicians whose economic policies have devastated them. And yet, these same voters are most likely to vote on one or two emotionally wrought issues that are regularly distorted.

I'd be curious to know if Totem is actually from rural America.
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#19 Apr 13 2008 at 1:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd be curious to know if Totem is actually from rural America.
Would you say that if ToUtem were white?

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#20 Apr 13 2008 at 1:42 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd be curious to know if Totem is actually from rural America.


He's from the very rural San Fransisco area.

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#21 Apr 13 2008 at 2:26 PM Rating: Decent
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But, hey, they grow alot of maryjane down on the farm in rural San Francisco, so I guess we have that agrarian spirit in common with those backwoods idiots in Pennsyltucky.

And Nobs, are you race-baiting me?

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But, hey, they grow alot of maryjane down on the farm in rural San Francisco


Eureka's not a suburb of Frisco, is it?

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#23 Apr 13 2008 at 2:56 PM Rating: Good
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He's from the very rural San Fransisco area.


Ah, now I see were the resentment of liberals comes from. Good to know.
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And Nobs, are you race-baiting me?
No I was baiting Anna - think of it as affirmitive action.
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Nobby wrote:
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And Nobs, are you race-baiting me?
No I was baiting Anna - think of it as affirmitive action.


I was being baited. Smiley: mad
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Nobby wrote:
No I was baiting Anna
Is that what the kids are calling it nowadays?

As for the comments, a definite flub. He could have spun the PR better, too. "I apologize if I hurt your feelings" is no apology at all (as I'm sure any girlfriend/wife will agree).
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