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#77REDACTED, Posted: Apr 09 2008 at 1:47 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Once again why should one person pay a higher percentage of their income than another? Now sit back and watch the excuses for the idiots in society who make poor choices that led them to their current economic state. Guess which party these deadbeats are pulling for...whichever is going to give them the most of someone elses hard earned money. But hey you people have kids why should you have to pay all that health insurance.
#78 Apr 09 2008 at 1:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Getty is one of the nation's leading venture capitalists and philanthropist


so he took the money he inherited and earned more. Like I said before, I'm not arguing that people who inherit money have an easier time growing it, my point was that the total percentage of inherited money in the top income bracket is on the decline.

*edited to clarify something I wrote

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Since it's not a Masters level course the name of his published material didn't come up, just the subject of his thesis. I'll go to his office and ask him tomorrow. Can you be so kind as to link your bio and your published material so I can have something to compare it to?


Sure, right after I read his thesis you can read mine.

Of course mine will be about the socio dynamics of hindu paramilitary groups in Rajasthan, but on the other hand his is likely imaginary.

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#80REDACTED, Posted: Apr 09 2008 at 1:49 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Oh and don't forget the ever predictable Joph's blame W retort.
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my point was that the total percentage in inherited money was on the decline.


Sure. No one's arguing that's not the case. See my post about it being self defeating.

The total percentage of people who can be considered "wealthy" say with a net worth in the top 1% who inherited over $100,000 from family is close to 100.

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#82 Apr 09 2008 at 1:51 PM Rating: Good
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cpcjlc wrote:
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Getty is one of the nation's leading venture capitalists and philanthropist


so he took the money he inherited and earned more. Like I said before, I'm not arguing that people who inherit money have an easier time growing it, my point was that the total percentage of inherited money in the top income bracket is on the decline.

*edited to clarify something I wrote

Edited, Apr 9th 2008 5:49pm by cpcjlc


*He* didn't do a damned thing with it. He does give a considerable amount away, which is endearing; but he is well known to be a dilettante at pretty much everything. Except he plays piano well, apparently.

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#83 Apr 09 2008 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Of course mine will be about the socio dynamics of hindu paramilitary groups in Rajasthan


and that qualifies you as an expert on inhertiance how? And I would love to read it, but I have to wonder why you aren't confident enough in it to let me look at it before you see someone else's work?
#84 Apr 09 2008 at 1:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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I read this whole thread. It was hard work. I didn't exploit anything, and I have no more money than when I started.

Nuff said.
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I have to wonder why you aren't confident enough in it to let me look at it before you see someone else's work?


Because I find it likely that you're lying to bolster a failing argument and that Mr. McDermott's thesis doesn't exist.

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#86 Apr 09 2008 at 1:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Venture capital is a type of private equity capital typically provided by professional, outside investors to new, growth businesses. Venture capital investments are generally made as cash in exchange for shares in the invested company.


So, being well known, I'm going to guess that he is fairly good at it since he isn't broke yet. And I took that definition as being an investment. Smart invetment = earned money.

As a side question, do you believe people who invest in a mutual fund and make a profit didn't earn it? Most investors in a mutual fund have no say in what it's invested in. Should they give it back?
#87 Apr 09 2008 at 1:57 PM Rating: Good
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Because I find it likely that you're lying to bolster a failing argument and that Mr. McDermott's thesis doesn't exist.


So because I can't produce it right now I'm lying. By that logic, you haven't produced yours either, so you must be lying too.
#88REDACTED, Posted: Apr 09 2008 at 1:59 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You're arguing with people who actually believe it's the govns duty to feed, clothe, and shelter every american citizen. You're not going to convince them that if people were allowed to keep the money they earn they're going to better spend that money than the govn.
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So because I can't produce it right now I'm lying. By that logic, you haven't produced yours either, so you must be lying too.


That's certainly possible. I'm not, however, basing my entire argument on the internal bonding process of Hindu militants.

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You're not going to convince them that if people were allowed to keep the money they earn they're going to better spend that money than the govn.


Right. Largely because that's never been shown to be the case in recorded human history, ever.

On the other hand, people don't like taxes, so I guess both sides have equal merit.

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#91 Apr 09 2008 at 2:01 PM Rating: Decent
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cpcjlc wrote:
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Venture capital is a type of private equity capital typically provided by professional, outside investors to new, growth businesses. Venture capital investments are generally made as cash in exchange for shares in the invested company.


So, being well known, I'm going to guess that he is fairly good at it since he isn't broke yet. And I took that definition as being an investment. Smart invetment = earned money.

As a side question, do you believe people who invest in a mutual fund and make a profit didn't earn it? Most investors in a mutual fund have no say in what it's invested in. Should they give it back?


You're not hearing me. He inherited massive wealth and either hired people to manage it for him (since his inheritance allows him to do that), or inherited those relationships as well.

He's not picking stocks, researching companies, working it. He has people to do that for him.

Because he was born filthy rich, and there's a telling phrase for you.

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#92 Apr 09 2008 at 2:03 PM Rating: Default
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Right. Largely because that's never been shown to be the case in recorded human history, ever.


But socialism has?
#93 Apr 09 2008 at 2:06 PM Rating: Good
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You're not hearing me. He inherited massive wealth and either hired people to manage it for him (since his inheritance allows him to do that), or inherited those relationships as well.

He's not picking stocks, researching companies, working it. He has people to do that for him.

Because he was born filthy rich, and there's a telling phrase for you.



This was my point earlier. As well as the fact that I can't imagine a case where a lot of money was inherited and the investments and investment relationships weren't already in place.

I would even go a step further and say that I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it were in the will that the heir needs to invest the money in a certain way to avoid the estate losing money on frivolous investments.
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But socialism has?


Yes.

Let me just clue you in. This will go badly for you. Then, Nexa will get home, and it'll likely get worse for you because at least with me you can think "who cares, he's an *******".

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I'm sure the guy who invented velcro deserves his money


The "guy who invented" most things rarely profits them at all.


Just ask Philo Farnsworth!
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#96REDACTED, Posted: Apr 09 2008 at 2:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I hate to break this to you smashed but socialism has never in the history of the world been shown to be equitable; that's right no utopic society where everyone takes care of everyone else and everyones happy. Nice try though. The US is by far the most wealthy nation in the history of the world. It didn't get this way by govn programs but rather by hardworking americans looking to build a better life for themselves and their family. At no time has the american dream involved forcing the govn to steal from someone else to feed you and your family.
#97 Apr 09 2008 at 2:12 PM Rating: Decent
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That's certainly possible. I'm not, however, basing my entire argument on the internal bonding process of Hindu militants.


Thats very true. What exactly are you basing your argument on. I simply stated that the current trend is that the percentage of inherited wealth in the top income bracket is on the decline.

If an argument happened between you and Dr. McDermott on the subject that your thesis was on, I would be the first to tell him that in my mind you are the better authority. And vice versa. I see no reason why Dr. McDermott would lie about what his thesis was about. You asked me to produce proof, I said I would try to find out tomorrow when I see him. I asked you to do the same, and you refused to provide your credentials.

I haven't denied that people who inherit wealth have an easier time growing wealth through what ever means they use. I simply stated that the percentage of wealth classified as inherited was on the decline in the upper income bracket. An article was link that stated that the number of millionaire households was on the increase and a lot of that wealth has come from investing. You said
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One could make the statement that the wealthy have a much, much easier time increasing their inherited wealth today, thus their total percentage of current wealth that may have been inherited is lower than in the past, but it's sort of self defeating for obvious reasons.
Again I didn't argue that. Honestly I fail to see where you disagree with the basis of my statement.
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I hate to break this to you smashed but socialism has never in the history of the world been shown to be equitable; that's right no utopic society where everyone takes care of everyone else and everyones happy.


Norway. You lose, thanks for playing.

Go back to selling insurance.

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#99 Apr 09 2008 at 2:15 PM Rating: Default
Norway...LOLOL that was f*cking hillarious. You're half way through that bottle aren't you? Don't lie.

Take a look at the reason for Norways sudden economic success;

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At the same time, the oil that Norway found in the North Sea in the 1970s began to ignite the country’s economic growth. By the early 1990s, just as Sweden was entering a deep recession, Norway’s boom years started in earnest.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/30/world/europe/30norway.html

Just imagine if the US was allowed to develope it's own natural resources off our coasts and in the barren desolate place that is anwar. Guess which party is the primary obstacle.

Care to try again smashed?




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#100 Apr 09 2008 at 2:15 PM Rating: Good
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What? Norway isn't socialist?

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I simply stated that the percentage of wealth classified as inherited was on the decline in the upper income bracket.


For about the thirtieth time now, no one's arguing that's not the case.

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