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#27 Apr 09 2008 at 11:36 AM Rating: Good
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One person taking wealth from another person in an amount disproportionate to the amount of work exchanged for that wealth.

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#28 Apr 09 2008 at 11:39 AM Rating: Good
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I'm sure the guy who invented velcro deserves his money, but yeah, most wealth is made through some sort of exploitation.
#29 Apr 09 2008 at 11:39 AM Rating: Good
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I aspire to exploit others for my own monetary gain someday, mostly while feeling badly about it.

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#30 Apr 09 2008 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm sure the guy who invented velcro deserves his money


The "guy who invented" most things rarely profits them at all.


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mostly while feeling badly about it.


It passes, I find.

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#32 Apr 09 2008 at 11:41 AM Rating: Good
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I aspire to exploit others for my own monetary gain someday, mostly while feeling badly about it.

Nexa


What's your definition of "exploit," exactly?
#33 Apr 09 2008 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Nexa wrote:
I aspire to exploit others for my own monetary gain someday, mostly while feeling badly about it.

Nexa


What's your definition of "exploit," exactly?


Make more money than someone who works harder than I do by working the system.

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#34 Apr 09 2008 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Nexa wrote:
I aspire to exploit others for my own monetary gain someday, mostly while feeling badly about it.

Nexa


What's your definition of "exploit," exactly?


Make more money than someone who works harder than I do by working the system.

Nexa


Smiley: lol

Seriously, though, I don't see how anyone could argue that the majority of people living in wealth haven't used exploitation to further themselves. Everyone knows that good, honest work doesn't pay that well.
#35 Apr 09 2008 at 11:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Nexa wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Nexa wrote:
I aspire to exploit others for my own monetary gain someday, mostly while feeling badly about it.

Nexa


What's your definition of "exploit," exactly?


Make more money than someone who works harder than I do by working the system.

Nexa


Smiley: lol

Seriously, though, I don't see how anyone could argue that the majority of people living in wealth haven't used exploitation to further themselves. Everyone knows that good, honest work doesn't pay that well.


...You've confused me now...I wasn't kidding. As for the rest of your statement, I agree.

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#36 Apr 09 2008 at 11:48 AM Rating: Good
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...You've confused me now...I wasn't kidding. As for the rest of your statement, I agree.

Nexa


Oh, sorry. I was making fun of AlexanderrOfAsura. I already knew what the definition of "exploit" was. And your answer was stunningly close to Smash's, so I assumed you knew what I meant.
#37 Apr 09 2008 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
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...You've confused me now...I wasn't kidding. As for the rest of your statement, I agree.

Nexa


Oh, sorry. I was making fun of AlexanderrOfAsura. I already knew what the definition of "exploit" was. And your answer was stunningly close to Smash's, so I assumed you knew what I meant.


Oh, I hadn't read it, but I see what you mean. I don't have time to read his crap on here *and* listen to him too. Also, you quoted me and not him, silly girl.

Nexa

Edited, Apr 9th 2008 3:50pm by Nexa
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#38 Apr 09 2008 at 11:50 AM Rating: Good
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And your answer was stunningly close to Smash's,


She totally copies me then pretends it was her idea.

Like I do with Chomsky.

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#39 Apr 09 2008 at 11:54 AM Rating: Good
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Oh, I hadn't read it, but I see what you mean. I don't have time to read his crap on here *and* listen to him too. Also, you quoted me and not him, silly girl.

Nexa

Edited, Apr 9th 2008 3:50pm by Nexa


I meant to quote you... Oh, nevermind. It wasn't that funny anyway. Smiley: frown
#40 Apr 09 2008 at 11:58 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:

I meant to quote you... Oh, nevermind. It wasn't that funny anyway. Smiley: frown


Smiley: mad
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#41 Apr 09 2008 at 12:34 PM Rating: Good
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Nearly all wealth in the US is inherited. They "earned" it by falling out of a lucky ******.


As of now that is true, but the trend is showing that fewer and fewer "rich" people are getting it from inheritance. That means that soon Mr. and Ms. Richy Rich are gonna have to get off their inflated behinds and earn it like the rest of us poor shlubs.

I believe it's true that a lot of wealth comes from exploitation. I believe that exploitation comes more from corporations than individuals. A lot of people who run corporations prescribe to Milton Friedman's way of thinking. In an article in the a September 1970 edition of the New York Times, he states that basically the social responsibility of a corporation is to maximize profits. He doesn't believe that Corporations should give to social causes because "...the corporate executive would be spending someone else's money (the stockholders, which are the true owners of a corporation) for a general social interest".

My problem with this school of thinking is that people like Friedman want to give corporations the same rights as an individual, but none of the responsibilities we all share as a race.

How does this factor into the post? I don't believe in redistrobution of wealth per se, but I do believe businesses and corporations have a responsibility to give to social causes and back to the communities in which they inhabit.

This is all from a business prospective. The individual aspect is different. I believe is somewhat of a "flat tax per bracket". There should be brackets where everyone in that bracket pays a certain percentage of their income, no exceptions. The percentage of taxes paid should be stepped up as the income brackets increase. Now some are gonna argue that this isn't fair to the people in the upper income bracket. My response to that is the people in the upper income brackets benefit more from societies work as a whole, hence the greater contribution back to society. Now I don't believe the percentage increases should be huge. As the income brackets go up and the tax percentages increase, those more wealthy than the bracket below them would still have more disposable income. Some people might claim this to be unfair, but it balances out (to a degree) in the end because people in the lower income brackets are more likely to use government social programs than those in the upper brackets.

I could expand on these ideas more but I have to get started on my homework now. Yay American Lit!

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#42 Apr 09 2008 at 12:37 PM Rating: Default
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As of now that is true, but the trend is showing that fewer and fewer "rich" people are getting it from inheritance.


False.

Thanks for playing, though.

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#43 Apr 09 2008 at 12:38 PM Rating: Default

Seriously, though, I don't see how anyone could argue that the majority of people living in wealth haven't used exploitation to further themselves. Everyone knows that good, honest work doesn't pay that well.


(Don't have much time at the moment so I will just touch on this for now.)


I may have missed where I have said it. But I had thought I was just arguing against the statement that all (or almost all) of the rich because they exploit others. Again, I am not saying that no rich people have exploited others. I am just saying that it is wrong buy into those beliefs that all rich people are bad and don't deserve their money.

Not sure why I would waste the time keeping this going though.. Guess it's just entertaining.
#44 Apr 09 2008 at 12:40 PM Rating: Good
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AlexanderrOfAsura wrote:

Seriously, though, I don't see how anyone could argue that the majority of people living in wealth haven't used exploitation to further themselves. Everyone knows that good, honest work doesn't pay that well.


(Don't have much time at the moment so I will just touch on this for now.)


I may have missed where I have said it. But I had thought I was just arguing against the statement that all (or almost all) of the rich because they exploit others. Again, I am not saying that no rich people have exploited others. I am just saying that it is wrong buy into those beliefs that all rich people are bad and don't deserve their money.

Not sure why I would waste the time keeping this going though.. Guess it's just entertaining.


Your problem is that you think that "exploitation" = "bad" rather than just being an essential piece of capitalism. That's what it is, that's what it does, that's what it's for.

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#45 Apr 09 2008 at 12:41 PM Rating: Default
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As of now that is true, but the trend is showing that fewer and fewer "rich" people are getting it from inheritance.

False.

Thanks for playing, though.


Ahh, so the three college level economic classes I've taken over the past nine months must all be wrong then? Unless you have a PhD in economics, I'm pretty sure the professors and those who wrote the text books we use know a slight bit more than you do. But hey, appreciate your comment and "thanks for playing".
#46 Apr 09 2008 at 12:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Ahh, so the three college level economic classes I've taken over the past nine months must all be wrong then? Unless you have a PhD in economics, I'm pretty sure the professors and those who wrote the text books we use know a slight bit more than you do. But hey, appreciate your comment and "thanks for playing".
Yet again a simple google search shows you are talking utter sh*t.

There are more millionaire households in 2004 than ever, and they have increased in number at a record rate year-over-year.

If you haven't got a fUcking clue, it's best not to post.
#47 Apr 09 2008 at 1:02 PM Rating: Good
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Ahh, so the three college level economic classes I've taken over the past nine months must all be wrong then? Unless you have a PhD in economics, I'm pretty sure the professors and those who wrote the text books we use know a slight bit more than you do. But hey, appreciate your comment and "thanks for playing".
Yet again a simple google search shows you are talking utter sh*t.

There are more millionaire households in 2004 than ever, and they have increased in number at a record rate year-over-year.

If you haven't got a ******* clue, it's best not to post.


The subject of inhertiance was brought up where in this article?

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The reason for the record growth in millionaires next door? A steady hand in investing throughout the bear market.


From the article.
#48 Apr 09 2008 at 1:02 PM Rating: Good
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Ahh, so the three college level economic classes I've taken over the past nine months must all be wrong then? Unless you have a PhD in economics, I'm pretty sure the professors and those who wrote the text books we use know a slight bit more than you do. But hey, appreciate your comment and "thanks for playing".
Yet again a simple google search shows you are talking utter sh*t.

There are more millionaire households in 2004 than ever, and they have increased in number at a record rate year-over-year.

If you haven't got a fUcking clue, it's best not to post.


Yes, but his point, I believe, is that less and less of that wealth is inherited, and more and more of it is earned.

Apparently without exploiting anyone.

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#49 Apr 09 2008 at 1:02 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm pretty sure the professors and those who wrote the text books we use know a slight bit more than you do.


1. They likely don't. Poor choice of subject to challenge me about. Try, perhaps, scuba diving.

2. The chances of you leaping to an addle brained conclusion from something unrelated in a text book are similar to me blinking at least once in the next year.



Edited, Apr 9th 2008 5:04pm by Smasharoo
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#50 Apr 09 2008 at 1:04 PM Rating: Good
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It's the asset inflation.

Back in the days of robber baron capitalism, the workers had no rights. You could play one ethnicity against another, keep your workers in company towns where they had to buy all their consumable goods from you at whatever price you set, or just kill them outright when they got unruly.

Then labor unions and the welfare state came along and ruined the party. Instead of one lonely worker against the weight of the company, it was all the workers against the company. And laid-off workers didn't face the possibility of starving to death anymore.

So a new strategy came along. Pump tons of money into the system, inflating the value of financial assets faster than the wages of the workers could keep up. (And move as many jobs as possible to low paying places like China still in their robber baron stage.) Pretty soon, you're back to making crazy multiples of what the common worker makes.

Further, since the unions made you give the workers a pension plan, just stick the money from that back into the market, adding further inflation as the demand for places to invest increases. Then convince your workers to switch to IRA's or 401k plans, letting you off the hook if you invest poorly, but still giving you access to all that capital. (Too bad they didn't buy putting their Social Security money in play.)

Finally, convince them that the increase in the prices of their houses (due to super low interest rates, "creative" financing and speculation) means real actual wealth. Then when that bubble pops and the prices of their houses start to take a nosedive and they end up in foreclosure, buy their houses at low, low foreclosure auction prices, and rent them back to them.
#51 Apr 09 2008 at 1:07 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm pretty sure the professors and those who wrote the text books we use know a slight bit more than you do.

1. They likely don't. Poor choice of subject to challenge me about. Try, perhaps, scuba diving.

2. The chances of you leaping to an addle brained conclusion from something unrelated in a text book are similar to be blinking at least once in the next year.


Well, only thing I can say is until you show me how your credentials trump theirs, I'll go with what they say. And it wasn't something i "leaped" to. It was blatently stated in all three classes.
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